Rev. Ovid E. Need, Jr.

Fmr. Pastor, Linden Baptist Church | Author and Publisher of “The Biblical Examiner” | Author of The Other Jesus: The Gospel Perverted


“[E]very context points to Revelation 18 being the destruction of Jerusalem, which is confirmed by Revelation 19:2. Accordingly, everything up to Revelation 19 has been fulfilled, and our present age is chapter 19″

The Biblical Examiner

December 2013
August 2013 | January 2013 January 2011

A Postscript to Death of the Church Victorious Debate on Israel’s Identity | Inside the Mind of Christian Identity | Identifying Identity | Israel Restored The Dead Bones | A Review of “The Parousia” and “Beast of Revelation” | Tongues: A Biblical View | Matthew 24 | A Review of “The Rapture Plot” | A Lawless Religion: CI Scofield | Phinehas Priesthood | Mistaken Identity | Preterism & Israel The Hope of Israel Justin Martyr – Israel John Gill – Divinity Biblical Examiner | Death of the Church Victorious 7/31/3 Guest on “Voice of Reason” | Church, Inc. | Israel Identity Debate | The Other Jesus: The Gospel Perverted | Introduction to Death of the Church Victorious

Preterist Commentaries from Modern Preterism

Early Date of Revelation
“I will say in opening that Revelation chapter eleven almost requires that the date of the book be pre 70 AD, for there the temple and altar are still standing, as well as the city where our Lord was crucified, v. 8. (
International Bible Encyclopedia, s.v. Revelation, book of. 1917.)

Admittedly, there are good arguments for both an early and a later date of the Revelation. However, I believe Biblical evidence requires an early date, before 70AD. As an introductory statement, let me mention that prophecy is from the time it is written, NOT FROM THE TIME IT IS READ.

A pre 70 AD date would make the purpose of the Revelation the same as was Isaiah’s prophecy — that is, to see the faithful people of God through the extremely difficult times ahead as their then known world was going to be shaken to its very foundation by the judgment of God against Babylon. (Revelation: Date, Time and Purpose)

It appears to me that most prophetic teachers fail to realize that prophecy is from the time the passages are written, not from the time they are read.” (Review of “The Parousia”)

“The promise given to David of place of their own, and move no more, is Christ, the Son of David.” (
The Dead Bones)

“The covenant-promise was that Abraham’s seed should be the heir of the world. The promise was not made to Abraham’s physical seed, but to his spiritual seed. Through faith in Christ, the Gospel Church is joint-heir with Christ. (Rom. 4:13148:17.)” (
Israel Restored)

“Tongues (the supernatural ability to speak in a foreign language), as mentioned in Acts and Corinthians, are no longer needed. Their need was fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the judgment which they spoke of came upon Israel; therefore, this supernatural gift is gone. Prophecies and knowledge in the sense which Philip’s daughter spoke are gone also, gradually replaced with the more sure word of prophecy and knowledge, the word of God (Acts 21:9). The Apostle John finished the word of God.”  (1994) (Tongues: A Biblical View)

“When I realized that an honest examination of Matthew 24 did not confirm Scofield’s vision, I had to face facts and change some beliefs. The context of Matthew 24 clearly tells us that Matthew 24 was basically fulfilled in 70 AD. The problem I then had to confront was that if Matthew 24 is basically fulfilled, then many of the theories built on Matthew 24 being future had to be wrong.”
Matthew 24)


“Bush: US Won’t Let Israel Be Crushed

Fri Apr 26, 1:25 PM ET, By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer.”

GOP Eyes Jewish Vote with Bush Tack on Israel. President’s Policy Has Community Leaders Questioning Democratic Allegiance
By Thomas B. Edsall, Washington Post Staff Writer, Tuesday, April 30, 2002, p. A07.” <>

The reason Bush will not “let Israel be crushed” is because of the political pressure from the big “Jewish” money and from some who are misguided in the Christian community. Here is an example of the propaganda that is being disseminated by professed Christians. I have no doubt that they are sincere, believing the traditions they have been taught, but their sincerity does not make them right.

Recently, I received an e mail from the “UMJCNews.” I responded to the e mail with a question, which was answered by Sam Richardson, evidently the director of Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations (UJMC).

Sam Richardson [UMJCNews, < >] sent out an e-mail titled, “55 Ways You Can Help Israel” (found elsewhere in this issue.) In the 55 Ways, there was not one mention of the Christians who are suffering in Israel, Palestine nor elsewhere in the world. Nor was there any mention of the Lord Jesus Christ. It was a list that could have easily been put out by the Israeli government. So I answered the e-mail with this question:

TBE, “Are you on Israel’s payroll?”

SR, “What an interesting, and loaded question…”

TBE, “You did not answer it.”

SR, “Well, since Israel is (unfortunately) a Socialist state, almost 50% of all Israelis work for the government in some form. As well, 95% of all Jewish men (and most Druse, some Arabs) are in the IDF reserves… if you count them, the number most likely goes up to 75%. However, I think you will find that most Americans, Brits, Europeans, Aussies and New Zealander’s (Jews and Christians) who support Israel do so out of sincere conviction and deep religious belief. They give money to Israel and, if they are fortunately [sic], the only payment they will ever receive is the opportunity to visit and demonstrate their love for The Land and the people. I fall into the second category 🙂

BTW – Why do you ask?”

TBE, “Primarily because you sound like someone with a mission — that is, drum up both financial and political support for that antichrist nation, particularly considering the e mail you sent out some time ago, “Should Believers support Israel.”

In addition, that political nation over there has nothing to do with the Biblical nation of Israel. When I asked the Israeli government’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, “Who is Israel? – Who is a Jew?”, I was told,

“The term Israelite is purely Biblical. An Israeli is a citizen of Israel, regardless of religion. A Jew is a person anywhere in the world born to a Jewish mother, or converted to Judaism, who is thus identified as a member of the Jewish people and religion.
“Information Division” Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem. (E-mail: -URL address: [2/20/1997])

Judaism is a religion, and not a Biblical one at that, just like Islam is a religion. According to the official statement, the nation of Israel is strictly a political entity, and a Jew is someone who follows the Jewish religion, and neither has anything to do with the Bible nor with Abraham. “Israel is purely Biblical,” yet they refuse to be called Israelites.

Lewis Way did his job well, when he developed the doctrine of the regathering of Israel, quite contrary to the orthodox Christian faith of his day. The Jewish financiers of C.I.Scofield did their job well, and Scofield has persuaded American Christians to support an antichrist nation. (See Death of the Church Victorious.)

Also, see under Israel on the topic page. No need to re-plow old ground. My book is posted at <>”

SR, “Looks like we have a significant disagreement. I’m sure you’ll “see the light” when Messiah returns. For now, I’ll take you off of our list so that we don’t offend you further. Sam”

ON, “I must admit, your e-mails do not offend, but give me good things to preach about, to show how deceived the church has been in supporting the antichrist religion. Certainly, the Lord Jesus will come again, and the believers will rise to meet Him in the air, and all things will be over. But my Lord conquers with His spirit of Grace, not needing a bloody sword.”

SR, “I will pray for the wisdom of your flock to see through your hatred of the Apple of God’s Eye – you might want to re-read Romans 9-11. If you respect good scholarship, you may want to check out Dr. Mark Nanos’ “Mystery of Romans” and “Irony of Galatians”, both available on

This should be the end of our communications.”

ON, Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Every scholar in the world can line up and proclaim that the political Israel is the Israel of God today, but that will not change God’s word.

Like I said, I like UMJC’s e-mails because they give me so much to write about.

The 55 things UNJC asked for (55 Ways You Can Help Israel, by Rabbi Steve Mesarch, in this issue) to help the nation Israel and the “doctrinal statement, “WHAT IS MESSIANIC JUDAISM” call for some serious articles. The 55 things show how Christian concern is being turned toward a piece of dirt and to a pagan religion. Moreover, I believe the “doctrinal statement” (see “statement” in this issue) borders on denying the Biblical Christian faith. I will cover many of the passages that are currently misused to support the antichrist nation, Israel. It is amazing how professed Christians love a piece of dirt and a pagan, antichrist people more than they love the blood bought church of the Lord Jesus Christ and other believers. Where is the concern for the multitudes of Christians being slaughtered in Muslim countries? But then again, I realize that UMJC sees the Christ of the Bible as the “Gentile Jesus,” so it appears it has little or no allegiance to Him nor to His blood bought church.

Was not Jesus a Jew, and the apostles upon whom the church was built, Jews? How can it be said then that it is a Gentile church when it was founded by “Jews”? Did not Paul praise God that God’s grace delivered him from the Jews’ religion? (Gal. 1:10-15.) Yet the UMJC seeks to promote the very religion Paul and the Lord Himself fought against.

The “apple of God’s eye” (Zech. 2:8, &c.) is the redeemed, that is, the Church, and it was for the Church, not a piece of land, that Christ suffered and died. God is the enemy of the enemy of His people, and His people are the ones He died to redeem.

(3.) What he will do for his church shall be an evident proof of God’s tender care of it and affection to it: He that touches you touches the apple of his eye. This is a high expression of God’s love to his church. By his resentment of the injuries done to her it appears how dear she is to him, how he interests himself in all her interests, and takes what is done against her, not only as done against himself, but as done against the very apple of his eye, the tenderest part, which nature has made very fine, has put a double guard upon, and taught us to be in a special manner careful of, and which the least touch is a great offence to. This encourages the people of God to pray with David (Ps 17:8), Keep me as the apple of thy eye; and engages them to do as Solomon directs (Pr 7:2), to keep his law as the apple of their eye. Some understand it thus:

“He that touches you touches the apple of his own eye; whoever do you any injury will prove, in the issue, to have done the greatest injury to themselves.” (Matthew Henry.)

In Acts 9:5, the risen Christ rebuked Saul for persecuting Him, and Paul was following the “Jews’ religion.” It was the followers of the “Gentile Jesus” that Paul was persecuting, and Christ took it personal. The “apple of his eye”, fitly describes the feeble state of Christ’s people; and how soon and easily they may be disturbed, distressed, and hurt by their enemies: and as this is a principal part of the eye, and a part of a man’s self, dear and valuable to him; so are the Lord’s people parts, as it were, of himself; they are members of his body, closely united to him; and whatever injury is done to them he reckons as done to himself: “Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?” Ac 9:5 and being highly esteemed by him, and having the strongest affection for them, he resents every affront given them, and will punish all that hurt them; and exceeding careful is he of them, to keep and preserve them from being hurt: “he kept him as the apple of his eye”, De 32:10, which, being such an useful and tender part as it is, it is wonderfully provided for by nature against all events… (John Gill, Online Bible, CD.)

Sadly, the Church in general is looking the other way as “the apple of God’s eye,” Christians, world-wide are being slaughtered by the ungodly for their testimony (e.g., see

I love the “apple of God’s eye” that is, the blood bought church of the Lord Jesus Christ. I have given the best part of my life for it, as have multitudes of other pastors. But I have tried not to sacrifice my family for it.

Pastor Need

(End of communication.)

Yes, Paul was made all things to all men, that he might by all means save some. Unto the Jews, he became as a Jew, (I cor. 9:19ff., but did he offer a “Gentile Jesus” for the Gentiles, and a “Jewish Jesus” for the Jews, as implied by the UMJC “doctrinal statement” (reproduced in this issue)? What does the book of Hebrews say about those converted from the Jew’s religion attempting to retain the old “Jewish culture”, as implied by UMJC?

The apple of the eye is the pupil, or aperture, through which rays pass to the retina. It is the tenderest part of the eye. It is the member which we most sedulously guard from hurt as being the dearest of our members; the one which feels most acutely the slightest injury, and the loss of which is irreparable.

Note the reflexes God has given us to protect the eye. When I have the glaucoma test with the puff of air, the technician must tell me to hold my eye open, because it blinks so fast they cannot get a good reading. The aperture is extremely tender, and must be protected, which is why your employer insists you ware safety glasses. David tells us that the apple of God’s eye is His elect, those for whom He died, both Old Testament saints and New Testament saints.

Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

In Acts 9:5, the risen Christ rebuked Saul for persecuting Him, and Paul was following the “Jews’ religion.” It was the followers of the “Gentile Jesus” that Paul was persecuting, and Christ took it as a personal attack upon Himself.

The apple of God’s eye describes the apparent feeble state of Christ’s people. They do not take up arms and tanks and attack their enemies, though there are times when they must stand in self-defense, such as in Sudan where they are being attacked with helicopters and heavy artillery. Notice how easily the church is distressed and hurt by its enemies.

Notice also whom Christ loves:

Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: 5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 6 ¶ I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Christ gave Himself for His people, not for a piece of dirt over in Palestine, nor for a group of people who follow an antichrist religion, Judaism. Did Christ die for Muslims? Did Christ die for Catholics? Did Christ die for Baptists? Did Christ die for the elect? (Isa. 53.)

Thus any teaching that says Christ loves dirt and people who deny Him more than He loves those for whom He gave His life must be a false religion.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Sad to say, many husbands expect their wives to give themselves for them, the husbands.

Christ gave Himself for the Church. He DID NOT GIVE HIMSELF FOR a piece of dirt over in the Middle East. If Christianity would get as worked up over the ungodly’s attack against the church that Christ loved so much He gave His life, if Christianity would get worked up over the war against the Church as they do over the war in the Middle East, we would read,

“Bush: US Won’t Let The Church Be Crushed”


The email, 55 Ways You Can Help Israel sparked my interest in UMJC doctrine. So I looked on their web site to see a little about this group who desires to accomplish the impossible task of following both the pagan Jewish religion and Christianity. (They evidently believe that a man can indeed serve two masters, and that redemption can be merited. See points #20 & #53.) I have reproduced their “doctrinal statement” in this issue, and here are some things to which I would like to draw your attention. I use the terms as UMJC uses them, though in Christ, there is NO Jew nor Gentile. (Rom. 10:12Gal. 3:28Col. 3:11.)

I want it understood that in reproducing the doctrinal statement as posted by UMJC, I do not believe that all who claim to be MESSIANIC JEWS hold to what is said on the statement. We post the London Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 as our confession of faith, but in so doing, we certainly do not imply that all Baptists hold to that confession. The following deals with the statement as posted by UMJC, and it is not intended to identify anyone except those responsible for what it says and for posting the statement.

There are some lengthy quotes included, but each is summed up at its end.

Observe about the statement:

It implies that there is a “Gentile Christianity,” which requires the balance of a Jewish Christianity, and the Jewish Christianity is superior because it follows the rites and rituals of the Jews’ religion. It seems they have a special “Jewish” Bible, one with the books of Galatians and Hebrews missing. Galatians identifies the true Israel of God, those in Christ, and Hebrews tells us that Christ replaced the “High Holy Days.” (Col. 2:14.)

It implies that it is a shame to be called a Christian, or a follower of Christ. Also implied is a distinction between the “Gentile Jesus” and a “Jewish Messiah.” Note here the avoidance of the name “Jesus.” (The same avoidance seems to be common among some Christians, which I do not understand.”)

It claims zeal for the “Torah,” which should sound the alarm for anyone who has followed the issue at all:

Torah (fully Masseketh Sepher Torah, rps tksm hrwj ), or Treatise of the Law, is a Talmudic treatise containing enactments as to the manner in which, and the material on which, the law is to be written. The five chapters of which this treatise consist are full of information, especially the first and fourth; the former containing some notices concerning the Sept., [Septuagint, ed.] the latter bearing on the sacred text. (McClintock & Strong’s Cyclopedia, s.v., “Torah.” Ages Software, CD.)

Michael Hoffman makes his relentless case with massive documentation taken directly from the canonical texts and the leading rabbis. He demonstrates how the ritual show of the Torah, with its inscrutable text, lays the foundation for rabbinical “interpretation” without which no one can “understand the holy writings.” … Judaism is a man-made religion of Talmudic tradition and Kabbalistic (Babylonian) superstition. It represents the institutionalized nullification of Biblical law and doctrine. Judaism’s God is NOT the God of the Bible, but the strange gods of Talmud and Kabbalah and the racial self-worship they inculcate! (Book review of JUDAISM’S STRANGE GODS by Michael A Hoffman II. TBE, Spring, 2002. Someone told me after the Spring issue of TBE that Mr. Hoffman is “Identity,” which I did not know. However, I do not believe that changes the facts revealed in his book. The review is posted on our web site.)

The “Torah” is not just the law, but it is a combination of law and traditions, among many other things. It is a sad day indeed when professed Christians hold to Torah equal with or even above the Word of God, both Old and New Testaments.

UJMC identifies the religion founded upon the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, Christianity, is identified as a “foreign religion.” However, from my limited knowledge of Scripture, Christianity was founded by a member of the tribe of Judah, Jesus Christ, who restricted His call for disciples to only members of the 12 tribes of Israel. The religion I follow, Christianity, is ” built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Eph. 2:20). Thus, Christianity is a “Jewish” religion, for it was founded by “Jews” who were followers of a “Jew,” so in reality, the “Gentiles” follow a foreign religion.

The UJMC seeks to make a distinction between a “Gentile church culture” and a “Jewish” church “culture.” However, Christianity is clearly a “Jewish” (in the Biblical sense of the word, not its modern corruption) religion which started in the “Jewish” synagogues. Are not the deacons today a result of a requirement established by some “Jews”? (Acts 6.) The distinction the UJMC seeks to make is no more than a holdover from the old Jewish hope that was laid to rest by the “Gentile Jesus,” as documented in my book, Israel’s Identity/Israel’s Conversion. (One wonders if this may not be a reason the UJMC rejects the “Gentile Jesus” of the NT He stood against the very thing this anti – “Gentile Jesus” group is seeking to do.)

Also, note the UJMC’s professed love here is not for the Church, for which the Lord Jesus Christ (the “Gentile Jesus”), died, but it is for a pagan group of people who deny Christ, and for a piece of Palestine dirt, for which the “Gentile Jesus” did not die. However, the UJMC apparently willing to see many US Soldiers die in order to keep that land in pagan, antichrist hands, the national Israel.


Observe that this “doctrinal statement” defines the promised land as a location in the Middle East, rather than the promised land being Christ. (Heb. 4.) The statement also reveals an animosity toward the “Gentile Jesus,” and that animosity seems to be carried over toward the church for which the “Gentile Jesus” died. Thus, it makes no provision for the church. Rather, it takes all the points that Scripturally belong to the church and places those things to a nation and religion that rejects the “Gentile Jesus.”

Is the name CHRISTIANS, a “pagan” name?

And the disciples were called Christians, etc. As this became the distinguishing name of the followers of Christ, it was worthy of record. The name was evidently given because they were the followers of Christ. But by whom, or with what views it was given, is not certainly known. Whether it was given by their enemies in derision, as the names Puritan, Quaker, Methodist, etc., have been; or whether the disciples assumed it themselves; or whether it was given by Divine intimation, has been a matter of debate. That it was given in derision is not probable. For in the name Christian there was nothing dishonourable. To be the professed friends of the Messiah, or the Christ, was not with Jews a matter of reproach, for they all professed to be the friends of the Messiah. The cause of reproach with the disciples was that they regarded Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah; and hence, when they wished to speak of them with contempt, they would speak of them as GalilaeansAc 2:7 or as NazarenesAc 24:6 “And a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes.” It is possible that the name might have been given to them as a mere appellation, without intending to convey by it any reproach. The Gentiles would probably use this name to distinguish them; and it might have become thus the common appellation. It is evident from the New Testament, I think, that it was not designed as a term of reproach. It is but twice used besides this place: Ac 26:28, “Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian; ” 1Pe 4:16, “Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed.” No certain argument can be drawn in regard to the source of the name from the word which is used here. The word crhmatizw used here, means,

(1.) to transact any business; to be employed in accomplishing anything, etc. This is its usual signification in the Greek writers. It means,

(2.) to be divinely admonished, to be instructed by a Divine communication, etc., Mt 2:12 Lu 2:26 Ac 10:22 Heb 8:5 11:7 12:26. It also means,

(3.) to be named, or called, in any way, without a Divine communication. Ro 7:3, “She shall be called an adulteress.” It cannot be denied, however, that the most usual signification in the New Testament is that of a Divine monition, or communication; and it is certainly possible that the name was given by Barnabas and Saul. I incline to the opinion, however, that it was given to them by the Gentiles who were there, simply as an appellation, without intending it as a name of reproach, and that it was readily assumed by the disciples as a name that would fitly designate them. If it had been assumed by them, or if Barnabas and Saul had conferred the name, the record would probably have been to that effect; not simply that they “were called,” but that they took this name, or that it was given by the apostles. It is, however, of little consequence whence the name originated. It soon became a name of reproach; and has usually been in all ages since, by the wicked, the gay, the licentious, and the ungodly. It is, however, an honoured name; the most honourable appellation that can be conferred on a mortal. It suggests at once to a Christian the name of his great Redeemer; the idea of our intimate relation to him; and the thought that we receive him as our chosen Leader, the source of our blessings, the author of our salvation, the fountain of our joys. It is the distinguishing name of all the redeemed. It is not that we belong to this or that denomination; it is not that our names are connected with high and illustrious ancestors; it is not that they are recorded in the books of heralds; it is not that they stand high in courts, and among the gay, and the fashionable, and the rich, that true honour is conferred on men. These are not the things that give distinction and peculiarity to the followers of the Redeemer. It is that they are Christians; that this is their peculiar name, and by this they are known; that this at once suggests their character, their feelings, their doctrines, their hopes, their joys. This binds them all togethera name which rises above every other appellation; which unites in one the inhabitants of distant nations and tribes of men; which connects the extremes of society, and places them, in most important respects, on a common level; and which is a bond to unite in one family all those who love the Lord Jesus, though dwelling in different climes, speaking different languages, engaged in different pursuits in life, and occupying distant graves at death. He who lives according to the import of this name is the most blessed and eminent of mortals. The name shall be had in remembrance when the names of royalty shall be remembered no more, and when the appellations of nobility shall cease to amuse or to dazzle the world. (Barnes’ Notes, Online Bible, CD.)

Christians became the distinguishing name of the followers of the Jewish carpenter, Jesus Christ. Paul was not afraid of being identified as a Christian, and he was a “Hebrew of the Hebrews.” He doctrine he preached to Agrippa was clearly the Christian doctrine, and Peter tells us not to be ashamed of being Christians. Admittedly, the name Christians was probably meant by the ungodly as a reproach, but it is a mark of high distinction. For it identifies us as the people of the great Redeemer. Evidently, those who want to avoid the name of Christ, Christian, are looking for another redeemer. (Mat. 11:23.) The problem the Jews had with Christ was the fact that He did not come as a conquering hero, so they are still looking for Him. (Jn. 7:314142.) It is Christ who is the author of our salvation, and any believer should be proud to bear His name, Christian.

“Yeshua did not condemn these traditions…” Then what did He and the apostles do? (Mat. 15:2-6Mark 7:39Acts 15:10Gal. 1:14Col. 2:8.)

Though there are many more clearly antiChristian points in the UMJC statement, let me close with this lengthy quote from Keil-Delitzsch’s Commentary on the Old Testament (c. 1833, which no pastor’s library should be without):

As the Hebrew `d[æ , like the German bis, is not always used in an exclusive sense, but is frequently abstracted from what lies behind the terminus ad quem mentioned, it by no means follows from the words, “the Lord rejected Israel…to this day,” that the ten tribes returned to their own country after the time when our books were written, viz., about the middle of the sixth century B.C. And it is just as impossible to prove the opposite view, which is very widely spread, namely, that they are living as a body in banishment even at the present day. It is well known how often the long-lost ten tribes have been discovered, in the numerous Jewish communities of southern Arabia, in India, more especially in Malabar, in China, Turkistan, and Cashmir, or in Afghanistan (see Ritter’s Erdkunde, x. p. 246), and even in America itself; and now Dr. Asahel Grant (Die Nestorianer oder die zehn Stämme) thinks that he has found them in the independent Nestorians and the Jews living among them; whereas others, such as Witsius (Dekaful. c. iv.ff.), J. D. Michaelis (de exsilio decem tribuum, comm. iii.), and last of all Robinson in the word quoted by Ritter, l. c. p. 245 (The Nestorians, etc., New York, 1841), have endeavoured to prove that the ten tribes became partly mixed up with the Judaeans during the Babylonian captivity, and partly attached themselves to the exile who were led back to Palestine by Zerubbabel and Ezra; that a portion again became broken up at a still later period by mixing with the rest of the Jews, who were scattered throughout all the world after the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus, and a further portion a long time ago by conversion to Christianity, so that every attempt to discover the remnants of the ten tribes anywhere must be altogether futile.
This view is in general the correct one, though its supporters have mixed up the sound arguments with many that are untenable. For example, the predications quoted by Ritter (p. 25), probably after Robinson (viz., Jer 50:4-5,17,19, and Ezek 37:11ff.), and also the prophetic declarations cited by Witsius (v. §§11-14: viz., Isa 14:1Mic 2:12Jer 3:1230:3-433:7-8), prove very little, because for the most part they refer to Messianic times and are to be understood spiritually. So much, however, may certainly be gathered from the books of Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, and Esther, that the Judaeans whom Nebuchadnezzar carried away captive were not all placed in the province of Babylonia, but were also dispersed in the different districts that constituted first the Assyrian, then the Chaldaean, and afterwards the Persian empire on the other side of the Euphrates, so that with the cessation of that division which had been so strictly maintained to suit the policy of the Israelitish kings, the ancient separation would also disappear, and their common mournful lot of dispersion among the heathen would of necessity bring about a closer union among all the descendants of Jacob; just as we find that the kings of Persia knew of no difference between Jews and Israelites, and in the time of Xerxes the grand vizier Haman wanted to exterminate all the Jews (not the Judaeans merely, but all the Hebrews). Moreover, the edict of Cyrus (Ezra 1:1-4), “who among you of all his people,” and that of Artaxerxes (Ezra 7:13), “whoever in my kingdom is willing of the people of Israel,” gave permission to all the Israelites of the twelve tribes to return to Palestine. And who could maintain with any show of reason, that no one belonging to the ten tribes availed himself of this permission?
And though Grant argues, on the other side, that with regard to the 50,000 whom Cyrus sent away to their home it is expressly stated that they were of those “whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away into Babylon” (Ezra 2:1), with which 2 Kings 1:5 may also be compared, “then rose up the heads of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and Levites, etc.;” these words apply to the majority of those who returned, and undoubtedly prove that the ten tribes as such did not return to Palestine, but they by no means prove that a considerable number of members of the remaining tribes may not have attached themselves to the large number of citizens of the kingdom of Judah who returned. And not only Lightfoot (Hor. hebr. in Eph 1 ad Cor. Addenda ad c. 14, Opp. ii. p. 929) and Witsius (p. 346), but the Rabbins long before them in Seder Olam rab. c. 29, p. 86, have inferred from the fact that the number of persons and families given separately in Ezra 2 only amounts to 30,360, whereas in v. 64 the total number of persons who returned is said to have been 42,360 heads, besides 7337 men-servants and maid-servants, that this excess above the families of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, who are mentioned by name, may have come from the ten tribes.
Moreover, those who returned did regard themselves as the representatives of the twelve tribes; for at the dedication of the new temple (Ezra 6:17) they offered “sin-offerings for all Israel, according to the number of the twelve tribes.” And those who returned with Ezra did the same. As a thanksgiving for their safe return to their fatherland, they offered in sacrifice “twelve oxen for all Israel, ninety-six rams, seventy-seven sheep, and twelve he-goats for a sin-offering, all as a burnt-offering for Jehovah” (Ezra 8:35). There is no doubt that the overwhelming majority of those who returned with Zerubbabel and Ezra belonged to the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi; which may be explained very simply from the fact, that as they had been a much shorter time in exile, they had retained a much stronger longing for the home given by the Lord to their fathers than the tribes that were carried away 180 years before. But that they also followed in great numbers at a future time, after those who had returned before had risen to a state of greater ecclesiastical and civil prosperity in their own home, is an inference that must be drawn from the fact that in the time of Christ and His apostles, Galilee, and in part also Peraea, was very densely populated by Israelites; and this population cannot be traced back either to the Jews who returned to Jerusalem and Judaea under Zerubbabel and Ezra, or to the small number of Israelites who were left behind in the land when the Assyrian deportation took place.
On the other hand, even the arguments adduced by Grant in support of his view, viz., (1) that we have not the slightest historical evidence that the ten tribes every [sic] left Assyria again, (2) that on the return from the Babylonian captivity they did not come back with the rest, prove as argumenta a silentio but very little, and lose their force still more if the assumptions upon which they are based-namely, that the ten tribes who were transported to Assyria and Media had no intercourse whatever with the Jews who were led away to Babylon, but kept themselves unmixed and quite apart from the Judaeans, and that as they did not return with Zerubbabel and Ezra, they did not return to their native land at any later period-are, as we have shown above, untenable. Consequently the further arguments of Grant, (3) that according to Josephus (Ant. xi. 5, 2) the ten tribes were still in the land of their captivity in the first century, and according to Jerome (Comm. on the Prophets) in the fifth; and (4) that in the present day they are still in the country of the ancient Assyrians, since the Nestorians, both according to their own statement and according to the testimony of the Jews there, as Beni Yisrael, and that of the ten tribes, and are also proved to be Israelites by many of the customs and usages which they have preserved (Die Nestor. pp. 113ff.); prove nothing more than that there may still be descendants of the Israelites who were banished thither among the Jews and Nestorians living in northern Assyria by the Uramiah-lake, and by no means that the Jews living there are the unmixed descendants of the ten tribes.
The statements made by the Jews lose all their importance from the fact, that Jews of other lands maintain just the same concerning themselves. And the Mosaic manners and customs of the Nestorians prove nothing more than that they are of Jewish origin. In general, the Israelites and Jews who have come into heathen lands from the time of Salmanasar and Nebuchadnezzar onwards, and have settled there, have become so mixed up with the Jews who were scattered in all quarters of the globe from the time of Alexander the Great, and more especially since the destruction of the Jewish state by the Romans, that the last traces of the old division into tribes have entirely disappeared. (Keil-Delitzsch, footnote at 2 Kings 17:2223. AGES, DVD. See us about ordering information on these study aids.)

According to this very able Bible scholar, “every attempt to discover the remnants of the ten tribes anywhere must be altogether futile.” We must also add that those not only are a waste of time, but they are contrary to the Word of God, which destroyed any distinction between “Jew and Gentile.” The distinction today is between “Saved and unsaved.” “To be a Jew in this sense was to be one of the covenant people of God, a member of the true Church”:

We have then the protasis of a sentence of which the apodosis does not follow: `But if thou art called a Jew, and hast the law, thou shouldest act according to it;’ comp. 2 Peter 2:4. Or the answering clause may be found in ver. 21, `If thou art called a Jew,’ etc., `teachest thou then ( oun ) not thyself?’ Winer, § 63, 1:1. Art called, ejponoma>zh| , called after, or in addition to; a sense insisted on here by Theodoret, who says, ” oujk ei+pen ojnoma>zh|, ajll ‘ ejponoma>zh| .” Bengel, Köllner, Meyer, and others, take the same view of the meaning of the word: `Besides your proper name, you call yourself a Jew.’ But as the compound word is used for the simple one in Genesis 4:172526, and elsewhere, and as Jew was then the common name of the people, it is better rendered, thou art called. ‘ Ioudai~ov , a descendant of Judah, in the New Testament applied to all the Israelites, as inhabitants of Judea. It was considered a title of honor, not only on account of its etymology, hd:Why” , meaning praised, Genesis 49:8, but because it designated the people of God. Comp. vers. 28, 29, and Revelation 2:9: “I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews, and are not.” To be a Jew in this sense was to be one of the covenant people of God, a member of the theocracy, or of the true Church. (Hodge, Romans 2:17AGES, DVD.)

Paul did say that he was made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. (1 Cor. 9:19-23.) But did he follow “the Jew’s religion” again so that he might reach the Jews? Did he offer a one Jesus to the Gentiles and one Jesus to the Jews? Does the New Testament restore the division between the Jews and Gentiles as the UMJC apparently, according to the way their statement reads, seeks to do? Are they trying to put the “veil of the temple” back together? (Mk. 5:36.) I do not see how either assumption can be supported from Scripture. Their statement appears to be an attempt to rebuild the very wall of separation the apostles worked so hard to dismantle.

I must confess, I do not understand why professed Christians want to return to the old dead corpse of the “Jews’ religion,” particularly when Paul praised God that God’s grace delivered him from “the Jews’ religion.” (Gal. 1:10-15.) But maybe that is why those who want to be identified with that dead corpse say that Christ is the “Gentile Jesus,” and thus reject Him.

Midst all the turmoil, I do see God’s hand. The situation in the Middle East and the misplaced love of many Christians for a piece of dirt and a Christless religion will force the Christian/Muslim conflict to the forefront. In support of anti-Christian Israel, the US will stand against Islam.


MESSIANIC JUDAISM is the belief that Yeshua is the redeemer spoken of in the Tenach [O.T.]. That He is the Messiah for whom our Jewish people all over the world, and throughout history have been waiting for. There is much “alien” culture that surrounds Gentile Christianity, which makes it unpalatable to most Jewish people. Jews will nearly always reject the Gentile Jesus as being the Messiah, but will much more readily accept the Jewish Yeshua as being their Messiah.

Most Messianic Jews are much more “zealous for the Law (Torah)” than their Gentile Christian counterparts. In this, they are following the example of the first century Messianic Jews, who were also “zealous for Torah” (Acts 15:19-2121:17-27).

Most Messianic Jews refrain from calling themselves “Christians”, which is Greek terminology. They prefer more Hebraic terms, such as “Messianic Jews”. The first use of the term Christian was in Antioch, among the Gentile believers (Acts 11:26). Rav Shaul (Paul), as a Jew, simply preferred to say, “I am a Jew.” The sect of Jewish believers in Yeshua was also called “the Way,” not to be confused with the modern cult of the same name (Acts 24:14;22). The Jewish believers were also called Nazarenes, not to be confused with the modern Christian denomination of the same name.

In Messianic Judaism, the Holy Days and traditions that are consistent with the Scriptures are observed. We do not leave the Jewish identity, heritage and culture to “convert” to a new or foreign religion. We have experienced the fulfillment of the age-old longing of our people for redemption as foretold by Moshe and the prophets. Our commitment to our people also encompasses our love for the land of Israel and our concern for the welfare of Jewish people worldwide.

Messianic Jews recognize the seventh day — Saturday — as being the Sabbath (Gen 2:1-3Ex. 20:8-1132:12-17). The Sabbath is even mentioned more in the N.T. than all the other days of the week combined. There is no mention in the Scripture of the Sabbath being changed to any other day of the week — a fact recognized by the Catholic Church. Although there are various levels of observance of the Shabbat (Sabbath) among Messianic Jews, the Shabbat is still the day of choice for worshiping the Most High. It is also seen as the perpetual sign spoken of in Ex. 31:13-16 — pointing back to the original state of the creation — and forward to the time spoken of by the author of Hebrews (4:3) when, “…we who have believed do enter into a Sabbath rest (Shabbat Shabbaton).”

Messianic Jews still observe the rite of circumcision. This is a part of the Abrahamic covenant for all the physical descendants of Abraham (Gen. 17:9-14). This practice is not forced upon Gentiles (1 Cor. 7:17-20).

Messianic Jews observe the Jewish (and Biblical) High Holy Days prescribed in Leviticus 23, which were ordained to be “celebrated as a perpetual statute throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places…forever” (Lev. 23:14213141).

Messianic Jews tend to observe Biblical Kashrut (laws of clean and unclean meats — Lev. 11Deut. 14).

Messianic Jews tend to observe a New Covenant lifestyle — “I will put My Law (Torah) within them and on their heart I will write it” (Jer 31:31-34Heb. 8:8-10). Torah is eternal and not abolished, per Yeshua (Mt. 5:17-19). Sin is defined as the transgression of that Law (1 John 3:4). In addition, Messianic Jews follow, and have found great value in many of the traditions of our people. Our’s is a heritage rich and full, and our history is indeed, the history of G*d’s people. Yeshua did not condemn these traditions, but rather commanded that they could not be exalted above the commandments of G*d (Mark 7:6-8). We are careful to follow what our L*rd commanded.

Lastly, it must be understood that we are saved by faith in the blood atonement provided by Yeshua, and not on the basis of our own righteousness or good deeds (which as a means of atonement falls far short Isa. 64:5-6Eccl. 7:20).

It is wrong and unscriptural to force Gentile church culture upon the Jewish people as a requirement for believing in their own Messiah. While it is right and proper for other cultures to be allowed to practice their culture after coming to faith in Yeshua, much of Jewish culture comes directly from the Scriptures, and has a firm Biblical foundation lacking in other cultures. The situation was very different in the first century. Then the question was, “How can a Gentile believe in the Jewish Messiah? Shouldn’t he convert to Judaism first?” Some Messianic Jews were saying to the Gentiles, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” Others said, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to direct them to observe the Law of Moses” (Acts 15: 1,5). The Council at Jerusalem decided that the Gentiles did not have to convert to Judaism to believe in the Jewish Messiah (Acts 15:19-2128:19).

Properly observed, Messianic Judaism has no “middle wall of partition” (Eph.2:14) separating Jewish believers from Gentile believers. Most Messianic assemblies have a large percentage of Gentiles. These Gentiles love Israel and the Jewish people, and have adopted a Jewish expression of their faith in Messiah Yeshua.

It is in Messianic Judaism that we find a most wonderful fulfillment of Scripture — in that all, Jew and Gentile, male and female, bond and free — are seen worshiping the Holy One of Israel in Spirit and in Truth.

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Date: 06 Mar 2008
Time: 13:56:19

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Shouldn’t Every Believer Of YHWH have believed in the Lord Jesus Christ? On your study of atonement we former Baptist’s(As I was) have always trusted in the atonement or else How can the Heavenly Father Justify Blooting out our sins and remembering them no more. From a legal standpoint he couldn’t pass over our sins right? So this was the mission of Christ to offer himself up a ransom for many. I was impressed with the debate with Tim Weiland and Tom Brush you really came out strong. Especially when you stuck with Paul because I have read and reread the Pauline Epistles to be Frank I come away everytime with the Israel of God being the assembly of Believers in Christ, I see no other way to interpret also I have learned to stick with the KJV of the bible I was happy with the NASB until I started examining the omitted words from what manuscripts did they copy? Well it is a perversioned copy thats for sure anyways I would like to thank you for your debate it made me remember where my roots were (I only left the Baptists because of the False doctrine of the Rapture among other things) I wasn’t aware of our rich history.

Date: 13 Mar 2009
Time: 06:49:58

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Amen to the above statements I have been very distressed over the fact so many Christians are only concerned with the state of Israel and not with the war on going right here in our own front yard! Second Ephesians and Paul plainly led us to be one in Christ we are a special people bought with a price you could have added when Paul in Galations withstood Peter to his face for the very fact of honoring the Law and Judaism and aparently preferring some parts of it over the freedom we have in Yeshua our Chrsit did not Paul say and he was to be blamed? What is good about the piece is that you illustrated the point Paul called it the jews religion (i.e. Not his or ours) thanks again
Richard Koons

Date: 06 Sep 2009
Time: 18:50:17

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Your problem is that you have put Christianity in reverse and backed it up into all the accoutrements, trappings and traditions associated with the Law of Moses. You want to hang around the necks of Christians burdens that we cannot bear, and don’t need to, because we have been freed from the works of the Law by the work of Christ Who fulfilled the works of the Law, so now we are freed from it’s curse to live by the Spirit, in faith, love and adoration of the Saviour. Know you not that at the Mount of Transfiguration Christ was transfigured and glorified, while Moses and Elijah, representatives of the Law and the Prophets faded away, signifying the supremacy of the new order in Christ that was breaking in while the old order of the Law and the Prophets was passing away. The transition from Moses and the Prophets to Christ and the new spiritual age was consummated, completed, at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 taking with it the temple, the genealogies, the altars, the animal sacrifices and all the paraphernalia associated with the Law. At the Mount, God spoke clearly saying of Christ, “This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased; HEAR YE HIM.” My advice: Get out of reverse, switch into high gear and go forward with Christ and Christ alone.

Date: 10 Aug 2010
Time: 21:37:32

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“Your problem is that you have put Christianity in reverse and backed it up into all the accoutrements, trappings and traditions associated with the Law of Moses. You want to hang around the necks of Christians burdens that we cannot bear, and don’t need to, because we have been freed from the works of the Law by the work of Christ Who fulfilled the works of the Law, so now we are freed from it’s curse to live by the Spirit, in faith, love and adoration of the Saviour. Know you not that at the Mount of Transfiguration Christ was transfigured and glorified, while Moses and Elijah, representatives of the Law and the Prophets faded away, signifying the supremacy of the new order in Christ that was breaking in while the old order of the Law and the Prophets was passing away. The transition from Moses and the Prophets to Christ and the new spiritual age was consummated, completed, at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 taking with it the temple, the genealogies, the altars, the animal sacrifices and all the paraphernalia associated with the Law. At the Mount, God spoke clearly saying of Christ, “This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased; HEAR YE HIM.” My advice: Get out of reverse, switch into high gear and go forward with Christ and Christ alone. ”

Well said…
-Shaquanna Smith

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