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Twenty doctors expound one text twenty ways, and with an antitheme of half an inch some of them draw a thread of nine days long.
William Tyndale, Obedience of a Christian Man

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2011 FOCAL POINT: DANIEL’S SEVENTY WEEK COMPLETELY FULFILLED BY AD70, TAUGHT BY MEN COMPLETELY WITHIN THE “ORTHODOX” REALM

Chronological Treatise on Daniel’s Weeks

Benjamin Marshall
“Second Generation Modern Preterist” (1725)

Wherein is evidently shewn the Accomplishment of the Predicted Events, As Especially Of the Cutting Off of the Messiah after the Predicted VII Weeks and LXII Weeks, according to the Express Letter of the Prophecy, and in most exact Agreement with Ptolemy’s Canon ; So Also Of the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, in the LXXth, or separate One Week, in the Litteral, Obvious, and Primary Sense


1. “To finish the transgression,”
– This was fulfilled. (Matt 21:33-45; 23:32,35,36,38; Luke 11:47-51; 1 Thess. 2:14-16)

2. “Make an end of sins,”
– This was fulfilled. (John 1:29; Matt 1:21; Acts 10:43; Hebrews 9:12-14,26; 10:9-14)

3. “Make reconciliation for iniquity,”
– This was fulfilled. (Romans 5:8-11; II Cor. 5:17-21; Hebrews 2:17; Col 1:12-21)

4. “Bring in everlasting righteousness,”
– This was fulfilled. (Romans 3:21-26; 4:13; 5:17,18; 9:30,31; 14:17 (Isa. 51:8) ; Hebrews 9:12; II Thess 2:16; I Cor. 1:30; 2 Cor. 9:9)

5. “Seal up vision and prophecy,”
– This was fulfilled. (Matthew 13:14,15 (cf. Isaiah 6:9,10); 17:5; John 1:1; 12:39-41; Acts 7:37; 28:25-27; Romans 1:1-2, 3:21, 16:25-26; Ephesians 2:11-17; 3:3-6; Colossians 1:26; Hebrews 1:1-2; I Peter 1:9-11; II Peter 1:19-21)

6. “Anoint the most holy (or holy place).”
– This was fulfilled. (Matthew 3:15-17; Luke 4:18; John 1:32; Acts 2:32,33,38,39; 4:26,27; 10:37,38,44,45; Hebrews 9:22-24 / Not Physical Temple – Acts 7:48-49)

Note that all of these point to Calvary for fulfillment… not AD70.  Score six for “AD 30 Preterism“, and all within a fully “orthodox theology”!  See Also David ChiltonHugo GrotiusThomas HayneGregory SharpeHerbert Thorndike // Daniel’s Seventy Weeks Study Archive

Marshall: “First, As to Grotius, What hath he said as to the accomplishment of this part of the Prophecy ? — Hath he referr’d it to the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans only in a Secondary Sense? — So far from it, taht he hath actually referred the Expressions taken by our blessed Saviour (In Matt. 24:15) from the Prophet Daniel immediately, and primarily to that Destruction. He hath (In Matt. 24:15 Jesus respects Daniel 9:27) positively told us that Christ had regard here to Daniel 9:27. In other places of Daniel, he saith, We grant to the Jews, (and we do so likewise to this Writer,) the Prophet treats of the times of Antioch Epiphanes, but no so here. — Grotius goes on to expose the great absurdity of the modern Jews, their referring this place of Daniel to the times of Antiochus : Whereas the ancient Jews, as he also tells us, understood it of the Destruction of Jerusalem. (vii,viii)”

Samuel Frost makes departure from Full Preterism official:

David Chilton on “Full” Preterism

“I am doing this because I saw that I would have to reject MOST of the major things I agree with before and during the time I was a Full Preterist. Yes, that sent up a read flag. Call it the fear of God. It’s the beginning of wisdom. Call it humility. My prayer: “my Father, I am wrong……I have gone down a wrong path…..”

Sam Frost 1/15/11 “And, yes, Riversofeden may be consistent. But, look at how many reject him! Why? Same “motives” of fear? Do they “fear” where a truly “consistent” Preterism leads them? No true existential perfection? Maybe even no “eternal life”. After all, do not all of the “you” statements in the NT apply only to THEM in the first century? Does that “you” ever apply to you in the 21st century? If so, how do you determine it? ”

“Therefore, since this consummation has entirely and fully happened in all ways in AD 70, and has manifested itself in all ways in AD 70, with NO MORE future manifestation of “salvation” in any way, shape, or form, then yes, you would have to conclude that when we get to “heaven” we will basically experience what we experience here: pain, suffering, good times, bad times. I understand this.”

I also saw that if a thorough-going Full Preterism is true, then even here, the traditional view of the afterlife must be jettisoned. Thus, I had a choice. Something is wrong with Full Preterism, or jettison the view of the afterlife. I chose the former. And, when I look at the state of Full Preterism, that helped my decision. A “step back”. A “whoa, do I really want to go there? Do I really want to do this?”

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Presenting 2,000 years of Josephus and the Fall of Jerusalem

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Presenting the context of first-century studies of the Roman World

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Study topics arranged in various ways

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Tracking developments in the science of discovery which enlighten the study

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(TEXTS FROM 1500BC-AD70)

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Tracking the development of preterist eschatology through the centuries
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Presenting Anti-Preterist Writings From Numerous Opposing Viewpoints

THE DOOMSDAY DEMENTIA OF CHRISTIAN ZIONISM
Dispensationalist / Christian Zionist Writings From Numerous Viewpoints

The Dispensationalist view of bible prophecy teaches that the nation of Israel is still waiting for its kingdom and King, as well as the reception of the inheritances of the biblical ‘Abrahamic Covenant’.   Accordingly, they teach, the Second Coming and Great Tribulation is right around the corner to settle affairs. The political collaboration between the United States and the State of Israel is, in part, influenced by the theo-politics brought about by the merging of Zionism and Dispensationalism.

Modern Preterism John LightfootA Commentary of the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica (1658) “That the destruction of Jerusalem and the whole Jewish state is described as if the whole frame of the world were to be dissolved. Nor is it strange, when God destroyed his habitation and city, places once so dear to him, with so direful and sad an overthrow; his own people, whom he accounted of as much or more than the whole world beside, by so dreadful and amazing plagues. Matt. 24:29,30, ‘The sun shall be darkened &c. Then shall appear the ‘sign of the Son of man,’ &c; which yet are said to fall out within that generation, ver. 34.”
Dr. Samuel Lee
of Cambridge, England

An Inquiry into the Nature, Progress and End of Prophecy (1849) “One great and valuable result of the whole is, that the question of Prophecy is not a difficult one; and another, that all has been fulfilled.”

Preliminary Dissertations on Eusebius’ Theophany  (1843)  // “EVER since his (discovery and) translation of Eusebius’s ‘Theophania,‘ my father’s mind had been more or less occupied on the subject of Prophecy, and he became convinced that the views which he entertained, known as the Preterist, were those held by the early Church.” A Brief Memoir

FIRST-GENERATION MODERN PRETERIST BOOK!

BY THE FATHER OF ENGLISH EXEGESIS
Henry Hammond

PARAPHRASE
and
ANNOTATIONS

Upon all the Books of the New Testament
(1653)

“This was the first commentary of any length to be published in the English language,” E. Early Ellis

Herbert Thorndike Study Archive – ONE OF THE ALL-TIME PRETERIST GREATS! First generation Modern Preterist, opposing the Historicist systems of Protestant England while Canon of Westminster “He asserted that the main scope and drift of the Apocalypse was to foretell the conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity, the climax being reached with the coming of Constantine, followed by the Millennium (interpreted in a spiritual sense)”

Preterist Universalism
EARLIEST KNOWN “FULL PRETERIST” LITERATURE
Dr. David Thom: Three Grand Expositions of Man’s Enmity to God (1845) “Professor (George) Bush is, I perceive, a favourite writer with (Townley). He is also a favourite with the American Universalists, a body which boasts of numbering among its adherents above 600,000 individuals, and which happens to agree with my friend in his notion of Christ’s second coming being past.
  • Preterism and Universalism – Are They The Perfect Match? “This is a healthy debate between 2 Christian brothers. David B. Curtis – a preterist, Calvinist and pastor of Berean Bible Church and Richard Wayne Garganta – a teacher of universal salvation with a preterist leaning. Richard is a theologian, writer, preacher and teacher with a television ministry in Rhode Island. Richard is responding to David Curtis’s article on the preterist archive website.”
  • James Stuart Russell’s “Gospel Universalist” Conclusion to The Parousia That favoured apostle who more than any other seems to have comprehended ‘the breadth, and length, and depth, and height of the love of Christ,’ suggests to us ideas of the extent and efficiency of the great redemption which our latent incredulity can scarcely receive. ”  (Is ‘postponement’ the best solution to the “Universalist conundrum”?)
Preterist-Idealism Wilhelm Martin Leberecht De Wette – An Historico-Critical Introduction to the Canonical Books of the New Testament (1826 PDF) “However strongly the historic standpoint is to be asserted, we must yet insist also that the work contains an ideally prophetic element, which has force even for us.”
  • Todd Dennis: Introduction to a Hybrid of Preterism and Idealism (2006) | Hebrews 12:25-29: Jerusalem as the Heart (2006) “Looking closer at the “promised land,” we can see how the spiritual intent was revealed through fulfilled prophecy in Israel’s day.  Though there was an appearance in the promises to Abraham of an ultimate fulfillment in reference to the everlasting possession of a particular tract of land in history, we know from New Testament revelation that the intent was regarding spiritual things in Christ.  Though the promise found natural fulfillment in “Preterist Israel”, it was given to signify the true, greater fulfillment in “Idealist Israel” — with actual participants from all nations, throughout all generations (including ours).
Best Independent Summation Yet

C. Preterist Idealism

This system was first developed by former Full Preterist Todd Dennis, and presented at the first annual “Carlsbad Eschatology Conference” in 2007 (hosted by Kurt Simmons); though it integrates elements from Preterism and other systems.  Preterist Idealism teaches that the historical fulfillment of prophecy constitutes only the “shadows” of an eternal spiritual substance which believers obtain “in Christ.”  New Testament typology is vertical rather than horizontal; and meant to point to the higher realties of the Christian life, rather than foreshadow things to come.   Idealism relies heavily on the allegorical interpretation of prophetic texts.  The system has a small number of adherents, most of them former Full Preterists.

http://preteristnews.com/2010/04/27/a-brief-survey-of-christian-eschatology/

  • Preterist-Idealism: Willibald BeyschlagNew Testament Theology (1895) “The common error.. of conceiving the parousia as a single historical event instead of the whole course of Christ’s victory and triumph over the historical world, dominates also the writer of the Apocalypse. But this error marks simply the necessary limits of prophecy, which Paul describes in the words (1 Cor. xiii. 12): “Now we see (in our prophecy) through a glass in a riddle, but then face to face.” To see the things of the future face to face is granted only to the after life ; to him who looks forward the future appears only in the mirror of the present ; the symbol of the future hovers before him in the signs of his time. Hence the conflict of Christian history and the hope of eternal victory were to the writer of the Apocalypse symbolically reflected in the confusions of his time ; and if he saw close at hand the eternal triumph of the kingdom of God, he simply erred in the same way as Isaiah or his greater post-Exilic successor, the former of whom expected that the Assyrian oppression and deliverance from it, and the latter that the Babylonian captivity and deliverance, alone separated them from the Messianic salvation.”  (This is a “must read” for anyone investigating a hybrid preterist view of any sort)

AD70 is awesome!  ..when used as a template of how Jesus has worked, is working, and will work.  When seen as a single working 2,000 years ago… not so much.

NEWEST ARCHIVE: PROGRESSIVE PRETERISM
Encouraging Full Preterists Who Are Taking Another Look

Kurt Simmons: Covenant Eschatology is “a dangerous system of theology”

3/23/10:

  • Hyper Critical/InsideDon Preston / Kurt Simmons Debate on “The Cross vs. AD70”

    Kurt Simmons “I repudiate all things Max King!  It is because I have learned better that we are having this discussion at all. Here are the issues of this debate: ”

    • To what event does scripture attach man’s salvation, the death of Christ upon the cross, or his coming in wrath upon the Jews and Romans?   (Simmons: Cross ; Preston: AD70)
    • Was the law fulfilled and the legal efficacy of the Old Testament end at the cross, or did it remain valid and binding until the second coming?     (Simmons: Cross ; Preston: AD70)
    • Was remission of sins and fulness of grace available from and after the cross, at Pentecost when the gospel was first preached were sins remitted and washed away, or was salvation from sin postponed until Jerusalem fell?     (Simmons: Cross ; Preston: AD70)

“This is the long and short of Don’s teaching: nothing happened at the cross.” / “The cross has vanished from Don’s soteriology. “

OFFICIAL TERM FOR AD70 / 135
“The ‘destruction of Israel’”

“A historic document that can be definitely dated based on a reference to a historical event such as the ‘destruction of Israel’ has never been discovered.”

NEW SPECIES OF “JUDEAN DESERT” FRAGMENT.    SEEMS CERTAIN TO POST-DATE ENTIRE DSS CORPUS, SO SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN RECOVERED FROM A DIFFERENT CACHE

  • Fragment from AD 74 or 139 Discovered in police bust “Unusually, the first line of the document indicates a precise date, the IAA said – “Year 4 [AD] to the destruction of Israel”, which could indicate either AD74, when Jerusalem’s Second Temple was destroyed, or AD139, the date of a Jewish revolt violently put down by Rome.
  • Roman Emperor Constantine the.. Preterist! “I am filled with wonder at the intellectual greatness of the emperor, who as if by divine inspiration thus expressed what the prophets had foretold concerning this monster” Eusebius
  • Handel’s Messiah & The Destruction of Jerusalem “Messiah” lovers may be surprised to learn that the work was meant not for Christmas but for Lent, and that the “Hallelujah” chorus was designed not to honor the birth or resurrection of Jesus but to celebrate the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in A.D. 70. For most Christians in Handel’s day, this horrible event was construed as divine retribution on Judaism for its failure to accept Jesus as God’s promised Messiah. // The resurrected Jesus, sitting at the right hand of God, unleashed his anger on the Jews by having the Roman armies lay waste to Jerusalem and its temple in A.D. 70.
  • The Christian Flight to Pella “The approach of His general judgment ended the persecution; and when the godly were provided for at Pella, the unbelievers perished by the Roman swoh-century.html”>Thomas Manton)
  • Jewish Sources: Lamentations 4:17 “Our eyes still fail to see our help which we expected to come from the Romans, but which turned to naught for us. In hope we watched for the Edomites who were a nation which could not save.  They prowled our paths so that we could not walk safely in our open places. We said, “Our end is near; our days are fulfilled,” for our end had come.”  (Targum Lamentations)
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM
BY J.E. LENDON

 

 

 

“..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history.”

Curator Todd Dennis – Sole Developer
(FORMER FUTURIST & PRETERIST PASTOR; IDEALIST SINCE 2005)