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Compiled By Rev. Todd Dennis
(FORMER FUTURIST, PARTIAL, FULL PRET PASTOR; NOW PRET-IDEALIST)

PRESENTING MODERNHISTORICAL & ANTI-PRETERISTS IN THEIR OWN WORDS

EXPLORING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR AND THE BOOK OF REVELATION, AS SEEN IN BOTH  “PARTIAL” AND “FULL” PRETERISM; ANIMATING FAITH IN CHRIST’S VICTORIOUS MARCH, WHILE ADDRESSING THE ERRORS OF “PAROUSIA DELAY” CRITICS.  CLASSED UNDER SEVERAL SUBJECTS, TOGETHER WITH AN EXAMINATION OF CHRISTIAN ZIONISM’S POLITICAL COLLABORATIONS. ALSO EXPLORING THE “PRETERIST MOVEMENT”

The anger of the Lord shall not turn back until He has executed and accomplished the thoughts and intents of His mind and heart. In the latter days you shall consider and understand it perfectly. – Jeremiah 22:20 


Universalist Preterism

EARLIEST KNOWN “FULL PRETERIST” LITERATURE

Dr. David Thom: Three Grand Expositions of Man’s Enmity to God (1845) “Professor (George) Bush is, I perceive, a favourite writer with (Townley). He is also a favourite with the American Universalists, a body which boasts of numbering among its adherents above 600,000 individuals, and which happens to agree with my friend in his notion of Christ’s second coming being past.

  • Brian Simmons : How Full Preterism Led Me Into Universalism (2007) “As I traced Russell’s system to its obvious conclusions, I began to feel that he was correct.  It would take almost a year before I realized one major truth: If death was destroyed in A.D. 70, why would anyone be under condemnation today?  ..Russell writes:   “Far from us be that incredulity which despairs of Christianity and of man.  Surely, it was not in vain that Jesus said, ‘I am the Light of the World.’ ‘God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.’ ‘I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself.’” (emphasis in original)

  • James Stuart Russell’s “Gospel Universalist” Conclusion to The Parousia That favoured apostle who more than any other seems to have comprehended ‘the breadth, and length, and depth, and height of the love of Christ,’ suggests to us ideas of the extent and efficiency of the great redemption which our latent incredulity can scarcely receive. “


Preterist-Idealism

Preterist-IdealismNathan DuBois – Full Preterism vs. Idealism: Part Four : Full Preterism’s Single Dimension Focus “Being a part of the kingdom had everything to do with the manifestation of the new heart by those who believed. Those who had faith (within) would act rightly (without). Those poor in spirit internally would be meek, give the shirt off their back as well as their coat, take the low seat in the house, carry their brothers burdens, and have ears to hear — all evidences of a softened heart to the gospel.   Those who lacked faith would contrarily manifest the fruits of the flesh.   We know Christians by their love, so beware of those who claim the name of Christ yet manifest the opposite.”


Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society
 (December, 2006). 

  • John Noē : An Exegetical Basis for a Preterist-Idealist Understanding of the Book of Revelation (2007) “The revelation of Jesus Christ” (Rev 1:1) has a fuller significance and deeper character beyond its AD 70 eschatological fulfillment.  Consequently, the preterist notion that it only applies to AD 70 when Christ supposedly came in “finality” is a weakness to be amended.  And in a preterist-idealist synthesis, the strength of idealism remains that it “secures its relevance for all periods of the church’s history.”  But its major weakness—i.e. “its refusal to see a firm historical anchorage”— is removed.  That missing anchorage is supplied by Revelation’s A.D-70 fulfillment.” 

  • Brian Simmons’ New Covenant Truth “While searching for a system that properly interprets the Scriptures, I’ve learned that historical events are merely external shadows pointing to internal spiritual substance.  The focal point and fulfillment of all Scripture is “In JESUS CHRIST.”  Therefore, I have embraced a Preterist Idealist system.  I’ve always leaned toward this system of interpretation anyhow, from the first sermon I ever preached (“Christ and The Typology of the ark”).  But the contradictions and errors of F.P. have forced me farther and farther toward my natural inclinations.”

  • Wilhelm Martin Leberecht De Wette – An Historico-Critical Introduction to the Canonical Books of the New Testament (1826 PDF) “However strongly the historic standpoint is to be asserted, we must yet insist also that the work contains an ideally prophetic element, which has force even for us.”

  • Marcus Booker: When Our House is Torn Down “the law is done away on an individual level (not to the exclusion of the historical passing away of the Law of Moses). What I am presenting in this article is a more systematic development and exploration of this idea.

  • Nathan DuBois – Scripture Interprets Scripture: Part One – The Covenants, The Jerusalems, The Flesh and The Spirit “Since most preterists agree that the kingdom is within and written on the heart and that the Spirit brought us to life and into an eternal covenant (the new covenant on the heart), then isn’t the description of the Jerusalem from above warranted and accurate as a portrayal of our heart in Christ vs. the Jerusalem from below as our heart under the law?”

  • Todd Dennis: Introduction to a Hybrid of Preterism and Idealism (2006) | Hebrews 12:25-29: Jerusalem as the Heart (2006) “Looking closer at the “promised land,” we can see how the spiritual intent was revealed through fulfilled prophecy in Israel’s day.  Though there was an appearance in the promises to Abraham of an ultimate fulfillment in reference to the everlasting possession of a particular tract of land in history, we know from New Testament revelation that the intent was regarding spiritual things in Christ.  Though the promise found natural fulfillment in “Preterist Israel”, it was given to signify the true, greater fulfillment in “Idealist Israel” — with actual participants from all nations, throughout all generations (including ours).


Preterist Watchdog
Preterist Watchdog

Kurt Simmons
Is Universalism a Logical Corollary of Full Preterism? (2007) “Universalism is not a logical corollary of full Preterism. Tens of thousands of full Preterists reject Universalism with no logical inconsistency in their system of beliefs. “

Brian Simmons
How Full Preterism Led Me Into Universalism (2007) “As I traced Russell’s system to its obvious conclusions, I began to feel that he was correct.  It would take almost a year before I realized one major truth: If death was destroyed in A.D. 70, why would anyone be under condemnation today?

LOCAL VS GLOBAL MP APPLICATION OF II PETER 3

Don Preston
The Passing of the Elements: 2 Peter 3:10

“exclusively the passing away of the ‘elements’ of Old Covenant Israel.”
Kurt Simmons
Rethinking II Peter III: Toward a More Expansive Understanding
“the eschaton was universal”
  • Sam FrostTodd Dennis and Preteristic Idealism (2007) “Just because some universalists are using preterism for a framework that they think helps there case does not make Dennis’ accusations here true.  Dennis should be above such types of obvious fallacies. “

  • John Riffe – AD30-70 Millennium, Foundation of Preterist-Univeralism (2007)  “Remember, it was Hymenaeus & Philetus who were saying things like, “Since the 1st resurrection of the just that is already past was all about people “coming to spiritual life” in Christ (Rev 20:4), the resurrection of the rest of the dead when Jesus comes back will be about everybody else “coming to spiritual life” in Christ (Rev 20:5), too: nobody but the Devil is going to Hell!” (2 Tim 2:11-18). But Paul strongly affirmed that he had not yet attained to the resurrection of the just because it had not yet occurred as of his writing of Phillippians 3:10-13 around 62AD.”

  • Jared Olivetti : Creeds vs. Hyper-Preterism “We ought to be thankful to God for the creeds of the church; we ought to know them, measure our beliefs by them, measure our teachers by them – not as a denial of sola Scriptura, but as the only real way of holding to sola Scriptura faithfully.”

  • Kurt M. Simmons – Four Errors Current Among Preterists (2007)  “The idea that the heavens and earth destroyed at the eschaton were the old law, naturally led to the idea that the new heavens and earth are the New Testament. King taught it; I taught it; many of us taught it. Unfortunately, it just is not true.”  

  • “As Preterists, we..” “I am just asking why, as Preterists, we are applying that scripture to us now? ” / “We, as Preterists” – If we as preterists say the last day has happened, then logically THE Resurrection has happened – whatever it was.”


Historical Preterism

Partial Preterism

HPDuncan McKenzie – The Supernatural Rulers Portrayed in Daniel and Revelation “How could three physical empires who had been destroyed earlier than the fourth then survive past the destruction of the fourth? The answer is, we are not being shown physical empires; we are being shown confederations of spiritual rulers behind physical empires.”

  • Samuel Lee of Boston, U.S.A.” – Eschatology,  Or, The Scripture Doctrine of the Coming of the Lord, the Judgment, and the Resurrection  (1859)  “The Coming of the Son of Man” is to be interpreted with the same latitude, and applies to the work of the Messiah from the time of his resurrection to the overthrow of the Jewish power.  Not till then — when the seventh angel had sounded — were there great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ.   Then the transition period closed.”

  • Daniel Alejandro Flores: Historia Eclesiastica – Bilingual Studies on Sayings of Jesus – “Christ saw in Jerusalem a symbol of the world hardened in unbelief and rebellion, and hastening on to meet the retributive judgments of God. The woes of a fallen race, pressing upon His soul, forced from His lips that exceeding bitter cry.  Jesus, looking down to the last generation, saw the world involved in a deception similar to that which caused the destruction of Jerusalem.”

  • Philip Mauro ArchiveGod’s Promises to the Children of Israel Fulfilled by Moses and Joshua – “And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which He sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass” (Josh. 21:43,45).

  • John LightfootA Commentary of the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica (1658) “That the destruction of Jerusalem and the whole Jewish state is described as if the whole frame of the world were to be dissolved. Nor is it strange, when God destroyed his habitation and city, places once so dear to him, with so direful and sad an overthrow; his own people, whom he accounted of as much or more than the whole world beside, by so dreadful and amazing plagues. Matt. 24:29,30, ‘The sun shall be darkened &c. Then shall appear the ‘sign of the Son of man,’ &c; which yet are said to fall out within that generation, ver. 34.”

Preterist Archive

Kurt M. Simmons – Urgent Corrections Preterism Must Make (2007)  “Did Christ come in the events marking the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70?  Unquestionably, but it is equally clear that his coming was not limited to Palestine.  The Psalms, Daniel, the prophets, Revelation, the epistles, language, and history all combine in one united voice to declare Christ’s coming was world wide. Admitting all this evidence into our paradigm is one of the chief challenges Preterism faces in coming years.”


EARLIEST KNOWN FULL PRETERIST BOOK, WRITTEN SHORTLY BEFORE THE AUTHOR’S CONVERSION TO UNIVERSALISM!


The Second Advent of Jesus Christ: A Past Event
(1845)


Robert Townley

Dr. Samuel Lee
of Cambridge, England

An Inquiry into the Nature, Progress and End of Prophecy (1849) “One great and valuable result of the whole is, that the question of Prophecy is not a difficult one; and another, that all has been fulfilled.”

Preliminary Dissertations on Eusebius’ Theophany  (1843)  // “EVER since his (discovery and) translation of Eusebius’s ‘Theophania,‘ my father’s mind had been more or less occupied on the subject of Prophecy, and he became convinced that the views which he entertained, known as the Preterist, were those held by the early Church.” A Brief Memoir


Critical / Debates

Critical Article Archive

HHTommy IceHank Hanegraaff’s The Apocalypse Code (2007) “Hanegraaff’s proposed interpretative approaches, if implemented, would send the church back to the Dark Ages hermeneutically. The great majority of the book is a rant against dispensationalism in general and Tim LaHaye in particular. There is precious little actual exegesis, if any at all, to support his preterist-idealist eschatology, however, there are great quantities of some of the most vicious invective against LaHaye and many other Bible prophecy teachers that I have ever read in print.”

  • We Must Tell Our Children the Truth (that Jesus ain’t coming) – Review at Unsealed-Prophecy “I was sent the following article by a reader for the purposes of commenting on it. It’s an article from the Preterist viewpoint, entitled “We MUST tell our kids the truth!” by a man called Dan Delagrave. I’m not in the business of cutting Christians down, even when they don’t happen to share my views, but seeing I was asked to comment on the article, I thought I might as well put my comments up here for you all to read. My comments in (italics and bold.)”

  • Bill Reeves: The Preterist View Heresy  “About a year ago Brother Max King, of Warren, Ohio, came out with his new book, entitled The Spirit Of Prophecy, advocating a Preterist-View of prophecy. This teaching has caused a mild furor among the liberal brethren wherever it has had a hearing. The following series of articles will review this novel doctrine, as set forth in a series of lectures by King before the Brookwood Way church of Christ, Mansfield, Ohio, in the summer of ‘70, in several presentations which he and C. D. Beagle made before groups of liberal preachers last year (‘71) (and also recorded), and in King’s book.”

  • Ed Tarkowski The Early Church Fathers: No Preterist Resurrection – “During the first 400 years of the early Church after 70 A.D., the Fathers defended the truth of a future, bodily resurrection. None of them stated otherwise, nor did they refute others that it had already occurred. For 1900 years, the Church has believed in a future resurrection from the dead at the glorious, visible, in-the-sky return of Jesus Christ when every eye will see Him personally. “

  • Charles J. Guiteau — President Garfield’s Assassin a Preterist – “This is going to turn Christendom upside down. Hereafter we shall roam up and down history, sacred and profane. I’ll have more people here than I have now. Copernicus said the world was round, and everybody believed him mad. There may be some who will say I am mad.'”

  • Dr. Edward Hindson – The New Last Days Scoffers
  • Stephen Cole: Are you ready for Christ’s return?

Doomsday Dementia

Dispensationalist Dementia

Hank HanegraaffHanegraaff Breaks Dispensationalist Stranglehold on Christian Publishing What comes across with painful clarity, as Hanegraaff has done us the favor of reading much of the works of LaHaye, Lindsey, et al. (sparing us the horrendous burden of having to do so for ourselves), is the fact that dispensationalism was, is, and always will be virulently racist and anti-Semitic. | Hank Speaks Out “Tim LaHaye simply misunderstands the metaphors that are used in Scripture, and that has caused him to not only misconstrue the words of Jesus but to misrepresent me in the media.”

  • Walt Hibbard: An Open Letter to Harold Camping of Family Radio  “As a Bible teacher heard on Family Radio around the world, you carry an enormous responsibility before our Sovereign God to proclaim the Word of God faithfully in His sight. Millions of people around the world are looking to you as a reliable Bible teacher. Because it is a very serious matter to be a teacher of God’s Word, James records under inspiration in the first verse of his third chapter that “teachers…will receive greater judgment.” It behooves those who teach, therefore, to be absolutely certain that they accurately and honorably reflect God’s message to their hearers.”

  • Gary DeMarPat Robertson is wrong | Hal Lindsey Too | “The Early Church and the “End of the World”
  • Dave MacPhersonPre-Trib Rapture Die-hards | Revisers of the Pre-Trib Rapture Theory | Thomas Ice (Bloopers) “Margaret Macdonald’s handwritten account in 1830 of her pre-Antichrist (or pretribulation) rapture discovery was reproduced in two of the 19th century books written by Catholic Apostolic Church historian Robert Norton… several persons in recent years have reprinted it.  But some, like militant pretrib rapture defender and diehard Thomas Ice, have had trouble reproducing it accurately.”

Study Archive

Alcasar’s 1614 Pret Commentary – Alcasar, a Spanish Jesuit, taking a hint from Victorinus, seems to have been the first (AD 1614) to have suggested that the Apocalyptic prophecies did not extend further than to the overthrow of Paganism by Constantine.”  (J. Murray, 1863 A Dictionary of the Bible)

  • Sir Lawrence Alda Tadema: Triumph of Titus, AD71 “Alma-Tadema wrote to Vosmaer in January 1885 about the current difficulties of completing any pictures, for example The triumph of Titus AD 71

  • Roman Emperor Constantine the.. Preterist! “I am filled with wonder at the intellectual greatness of the emperor, who as if by divine inspiration thus expressed what the prophets had foretold concerning this monster” Eusebius

  • Handel’s Messiah & The Destruction of Jerusalem “Messiah” lovers may be surprised to learn that the work was meant not for Christmas but for Lent, and that the “Hallelujah” chorus was designed not to honor the birth or resurrection of Jesus but to celebrate the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in A.D. 70. For most Christians in Handel’s day, this horrible event was construed as divine retribution on Judaism for its failure to accept Jesus as God’s promised Messiah. // The resurrected Jesus, sitting at the right hand of God, unleashed his anger on the Jews by having the Roman armies lay waste to Jerusalem and its temple in A.D. 70.

  • Revelations/EpigraphyA Roman Triumphal Arch on the Temple Mount In Jerusalem? – April 2007 – “What is the significance of this new discovery? First of all this is most probably the earliest ‘monumental’ Latin inscription found in Israel, and it refers to Flavius Silva, the conqueror of Masada. But the most important implication of this inscription is architectural. If it comes from a triumphal arch, which seems to be most likely, where did it stand?”

  • Dead Sea Scrolls Controversy in San Diego – “a list of 22 opponents and/or critics of the old, “Qumran-sectarian” theory of Scroll origins, none of whom have been invited to participate in the lecture series accompanying the Natural History Museum’s upcoming Scrolls exhibit. Instead, the Museum has announced lectures by 22 proponents of the old theory.” [PreteristArchive.com’s Opposition View DSS Historical Witness to First Century Jewish and Christian Preterist Views: Fearing a sack of Jerusalem, valuables of all sorts were hidden in the Judean desert by various groups. Numerous scrolls likely had, as their place of origin, the Temple Library in Jerusalem — such as the Copper Scroll — or even possibly from fleeing Christians, such as in the case of Cave 7.] 

  • The Christian Flight to Pella “The approach of His general judgment ended the persecution; and when the godly were provided for at Pella, the unbelievers perished by the Roman sword.” (Thomas Manton) – Proof of First Century preterist interpretation of Jesus’ Olivet Prophecy

  • Jewish Sources: Lamentations 4:17 “Our eyes still fail to see our help which we expected to come from the Romans, but which turned to naught for us. In hope we watched for the Edomites who were a nation which could not save.  They prowled our paths so that we could not walk safely in our open places. We said, “Our end is near; our days are fulfilled,” for our end had come.”  (Targum Lamentations)


“sacred artifacts looted by the Romans from the Temple of Jerusalem and long suspected of being hidden in the vaults of the Vatican are actually in the Holy Land, according to a British archaeologist. ..it was taken to Carthage, Constantinople and Algeria before being hidden in the Judaean wilderness, beneath the Monastery of Theodosius. “The treasure’s final hiding place – in the modern West Bank . . . deep in Hamas territory – will rock world religions.”

GodsGold.org
Quest for the Lost Temple Treasure of Jerusalem

Treasures looted by Rome ‘are back in the Holy Land’

 

ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM
BY J.E. LENDON

“..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history.”

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