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STUDY MATERIALS RELATING TO “FULL PRETERISM” Teaches Fulfillment of All Bible Prophecy in the First Century | “Preterist Watchdog” Explores Dangerous Fringes Which Challenge All Aspects of Accepted Christianity

1. A) Views espoused by “Full Preterist” believers only.  B) According to available literature, this class did not emerge until the 20th century, although historically it can be seen as a natural progression in the development of systematic eschatology.   This category includes believers from nearly every denomination.  C) Generally believes thatall eschatology was accomplishedin finality in the first century events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem and the end of the old Mosaic system.  (Narrowest Range in Time and Doctrine – Only Known Representations of this View Are From  20th-21st Century)

Typical “Full Preterist” View A.D.70 Fulfillment: All Bible Prophecy Was Fulfilled in AD70The Beginning of God’s Everlasting New Covenant Age on Earth The Coming of Christ The Day of the Lord The Judgment The Resurrection The Literal Rapture of Saints* The End of Mosaic Age *A Segment Ascribes to This View

PreteristArchive.com Preterist/Idealist Hybrid Compound or “Hybrid Preterism”  (CP) A.D.70 as an External Show (In the Temporal Realm) of Spiritual Substance / Fullness (In the Eternal Realm) A Coming of Christ Against Jerusalem A Day of Judgment Against His Enemies A Day of Vindication For His People A Specific Judgment Against Israel A Gathering of the People of God (Pella) All Eschatology Fulfilled – End of Material, External Kingdom The Parousia of Christ The Eternal Day of the Lord The Resurrection of the Dead The General Judgment Seat The Gathering of the Body of Christ The Everlasting Age – Immaterial, Internal Kingdom Without End

The Road Back to Preterism: Brief History of Eschatology and the Church
70 Questions for Pre-Tribulational,  Pre-Millennial Dispensationalists
“Remember Pella” | Printable Tracts and Booklets | Preterism in Japan | Preterismo en Espaņol

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• Terry Hall: Then The End Will Come “I turned my television on the other day and as the screen came to clarity, there it was, as big as life. An announcement. A declaration. THE END. I wasn’t sure how to react to the news that The end had come. Surely this was a sad and frightening time. But I didn’t feel all that bad. “
• Jim Gunter – Prophetic Apocalyptic Language “when we read this type of prophecy in the “new testament,” whether by Jesus, or by one of the inspired writers, I personally believe that it is imperative that we go to the original source of such language if we are to arrive at its true meaning!  This is important, because, as we just learned, Jesus’ use of that awesome, colorful, celestial imagery in Mt. 24:29 was not the first time that those words were uttered in prophecy.  As we have seen, it had its roots in the old covenant Scriptures – the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”
• Mike Sullivan: An Open Letter to Pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, CA “As a former member of your church and graduate of Calvary Chapel Bible College, I hope you will sincerely read this letter with an open heart and change your interpretation of Matthew 24:34, which led to the false predictions made by you in 1981.    These false interpretations and predictions remain in print and are being sold in bookstores worldwide.”

Richard Anthony – Ecclesia.org Scriptures Say When Jesus Would Come! The 1000 Year Reign of Christ? The Mark of the Beast – And the “666 Spelling” of Nero Caesar Allen Baily – Old School Baptist Pret The Days of Vengeance: Matthew 24 and 25 – “The old heavens and earth have passed away with a great noise for the called of Jesus Christ, and they have entered into that rest that remains for the people of God who are made partakers of Christ and His Glory; “ Kevin Beck – King Transmill Moving Beyond Preterism The Second Coming: Mission Accomplished – A Review William H. Bell Jr. – Church of Christ “But of that day and hour knows no man” The Parousia and Acts 1:11 – “Any interpretation of Acts 1:11 that fails to honor the time limitations for the parousia is not “exegesis” but “eisegesis”!” The Dead Are Raised – “Yes, the dead are raised. Hades has been destroyed. The way into the holiest of all is now manifest. Thanks be to God who gave us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. “ Philippians 4:5 – Spatialogy or Eschatology – “Philippians 4:5 is a passage often used in an effort to refute the claims that the New Testament teaches that the Parousia was at hand (near, engus) in respect to time in the first century.” Will Christ Give Up His Reign ? – “Some teach that he will be stripped of this eternal inheritance almost any moment, in the twinkling of an eye. This unfortunate premise, argued by futurists and many brethren, does violence to the scriptures. “ This Present Evil Age – “Eternal life will be seen in Matthew where it is seen in Hebrews, in A.D.70, at the fall of the temple and Jewish commonwealth. “ When Did Miracles Cease? – “God has given definite scriptural boundaries for the end of miracles and all charismata.” Challenging Concepts Of The Resurrection – “The resurrection of saints from Hades and the change of the “living” as far as we know, was not perceivable to the physical eye. The limits of physical observation do not deny, disprove, or otherwise negate the clear teachings of scripture that the resurrection occurred in 70 A.D.” The Illusion Of The Conclusion (Another Look At Romans 8:18-23) – “To correctly use the figure of personification in Romans 8, it must emphasize, add to and confirm the deliverance of the creation in addition to that of the firstfruit saints for such is clearly stated and implied in the text.” How Long is Long? – “ONE scripture is usually presented in defense of a long period of “millenniums” occurring between the “going away” and “coming again” of Christ. The proof-text is Matthew 25:19 which reads, “After a long time the Lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.” A Boat Divided Against Itself Cannot Float – “Noah’s ark cannot be split according to scripture. The division in Matthew is unsupported, unsubstantiated and indefensible. Luke 17 links Noah with the fleeing event, all in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. A future coming of Christ that disregards these facts simply cannot be as it was in the days of Noah.” Download William Bell Articles – “The purpose of this document is to honor the very words of Christ while also showing the inconsistency and contradictions in the literalistic, futuristic/ammillennial view of this text. Acts 1:9-11 fits perfectly within the A.D. 70 framework for Christ’s return” All Things Fulfilled | Raines Road CoC (See Bell’s Tele-Bible Study) Michael Bennett – Sovereign Grace Scripture Demands a Spiritual Rapture “If there has to be a physical rapture to be face to face then we are not in the New Covenant and the curse is not removed (Rev. 22:3-4).” Acts 1:11 – A Brief Response to Dr. Mal Couch The Daniel 12 Dilemma for the Partial Preterist – “Partial Preterists agree that the power of the holy people was broken at 70 AD, does that mean that the “astonishing things” were fulfilled (verses 1-3)?  Yes or no?” The Great White Throne Judgment Has Already Happened Past Physical Rapture? – “If you are a Preterist that is promoting a “past physical rapture” then I would ask that you reconsider your position unless you are willing to say that you have not been “raptured” into the New Covenant yet. Either that or you must explain why there was a “physical rapture” into the New Covenant for some some saints but only a “spiritual rapture” into the New Covenant for others.” Doug Beaumont Timeline of the Great Tribulation Revelation: Four View Outline and Commentary Spiritualizing the Bible? Was Jerusalem Mystery Babylon? Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks – Reformed Answering Mathison’s Questions – Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks – Critiquing the “Brief Critique of Full Preterism.” – All references to the Heavens and the Earth are Hebraic phrases for the religio-political government of a people group, including the idea of the expression for the Old Covenantal system of the Temple sacrificial system | A Brief Reponse to the Full Preterist Criticisms of Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks “So Where’s Your Proof?” – Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks – A Response by Dr. Birks to a letter he recently received… “I fear that Christians who do not believe in the veracity of Christ’s own teaching concerning his AD 70 parousia must also join Thomas in his unbelief as to his own failure to believe what others, outside of an independent corroboration, have testified to.” Clarity Accomplished! A Review of Second Coming: Mission Accomplished! – “If one has not read what all these various authors have to say on this subject, or if the reader does not have access to these various author’s works, then the Kloske’s have provided the reader with a great service in collating all of this varied information for the reader. “ A Response to ‘Silence Demands a Rapture’ Throwing Down the Gauntlet: An Open Letter to Rev. Andrew Sandlin – “A Refutation of the Hymenaen Heresy Charge Against Preterists” Extreme Christianity: An Open Letter to Larry Spargamino The Potency of a Proper Placing of the Parousia – “Is it not clear that the apostle believed that the resurrection and the corresponding judgments would in fact occur at the “appearing” and consequential “kingdom” of the Lord Jesus Christ? If it was “about to” happen then when Paul wrote to Timothy before AD 70, then how can it be believed that some 2000 years later it still has yet to take place? What does this do to the perspicuity of scripture? The Comings of Christ – Ebook Kelly Nelson Birks / Gene Cook Audio – At least 150 people attended this PalTalk.com debate (And over 70 in a 2nd room).  Please join us in prayer for future discussions.. Jim Boardrow – Sovereign Grace Invisible Attributes Clearly Seen – Regarding the Hebrews? – “The purpose of this study is to show that Romans Chapter 1:16-32 is addressing the Jews. This is a popular proof text to teach a “general” revelation or knowledge of God to every man.” Knowledge Shall Increase – “Unlocking the mysteries of the book of Revelation wasn’t the specific “knowledge” Daniel wrote about. It is the knowledge of salvation revealed in the gospel of Jesus Christ.” Karen Boydston – Sovereign Grace Passover and the Lord’s Supper John L. Bray – Author of “Matthew 24 Fulfilled” Robert Brow The Coming of the Lord – “The coming that the New Testament writers referred to occurred in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed, Jerusalem was devastated, and the religious establishment of the city was decimated. The signs of that day of the Lord, and the metaphorical portents Jesus used to describe it, all happened in that generation exactly as Jesus had prophesied. ” (1998) MS Cheo – Singapore Preterist Jesus Christ was NOT Crucified on “Good Friday” – “Jesus was right in saying that He would be in the grave for “3 days and 3 nights” and it was fulfilled accordingly. As such, what many believe today, that He was in the grave for only one and a half day could only be an invention and one of the many traditions of men.” The New Heaven and New Earth, Millennium, New Jerusalem – Explained! – “Making fragile human Christians living between A.D.30 to A.D. 70 to be reigning with Christ as Kings and Priests is stretching the words too much.” Did Noah’s Flood Submerge the Whole World? – “Was the Flood of Noah God’s most colossal miracle to date after the Creation of man or could it be just another “down-to-earth” miracle blown into enormous proportion by man, or simply a local happening just like the destruction of Jerusalem, for which both Jesus and Peter had used the Flood as a type?” “They who pierced Him” and the Horrible Death of Jesus – MS Cheo “This association comes to me as my belief in preterism increases.  I hope the above analysis will bring forth further harmony of the Bible, and (finally) identify the real “they who pierced Him” to be, or at least, the real reason behind. Though I am a preterist, it may not necessary reflect the view and belief of other preterists.  Nevertheless, please share with me your thoughts, reasons and arguments if you think I am going onto a loony path.  (MS Cheo, Singapore [mscheo@mindexsoft.com]) “ Just who is the Elijah-to-come – Singapore “I believe the crux of the problem in identifying this prophesied Elijah is that we had been taught (or led) to associate the Messenger of Mal 3:1 and the Elijah-to-come  of Mal 4:5 to be one and the same person!  In the flash of a moment, it occurred to me that they could be two distinct persons.  Further studies show me that these two distinct persons did come and faithfully complete their missions during the lifetime of Jesus!  “ David Chilton – Former Reconstructionist Partial Pret Email Exchanges with David Chilton – Stevens, Preston, North | Chilton: “I had a massive heart attack, went into a coma, was diagnosed as “brain-dead,” and even when I woke up I’d forgotten everyone and everything, and was blind too!  Since then, by God’s grace, I’m off all medications but aspirin, got an A for the course in Logic at the local college last year, am back to writing and speaking (but *not* pastoring), and I jog ten miles a day!  Shucks, I think if I’d been living like this all my life, it never would’a happened anyway!  Anyway, I think my heart attack, coma, and “brain-death” is the greatest thing that ever happened to me!  Do you think Jacob regretted his limp? (Gen. 32:24-31) “ Jerusalem Under Siege Days of Vengeance – The boat that launched 10,000 Preterists (1985) Foreword to “What Happened in AD70?” – “In this slim volume, Edward E. Stevens clearly and convincingly demonstrates that our Lord Jesus Christ predicted His Return within the lifetime of His first-century hearers.” The Great Tribulation – Excerpted from “Days of Vengeance” – The Great Tribulation is a past event (1987) Paradise Restored “…consider a fact which will undoubtedly shock some people: the word ‘antichrist’ never occurs in the Book of Revelation. Not once.” “…antichrist is a description of both the system of apostasy and individual apostates. In other words, antichrist was the fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy that a time of great apostasy would come, when ‘many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another. And many false prophets will arise, and will mislead many’ (Matt. 24:10-11).” (1985) Looking For New Heavens and a New Earth (Part One) – Audio | (Part Two) – Audio “Because of what may be called the ‘collapsing-universe’ terminology used in this passage [2 Peter 3], many have mistakenly assumed that St. Peter is speaking of the final end of the physical heaven and earth, rather than the dissolution of the Old Covenant world order.” Judgment From The Sanctuary – Chapter 16 from “The Days of Vengeance – An Exposition of the  Book of Revelation (1987) “…to the place which in Hebrew is called Armageddon. Literally, this is spelled Har-Magedon, meaning Mount Megiddo. A problem for “literalists” arises here, for Megiddo is a city on a plain, not a mountain. There never was or will be a literal “Battle of Armageddon,” for there is no such place.” The Rise of Antichrist – Chapter 12 from “Paradise Restored – A Biblical Theology of Dominion “…antichrist is a description of both the system of apostasy and individual apostates. In other words, antichrist was the fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy that a time of great apostasy would come, when “many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.” Christ Eternal Christian Worksheet: Two “Ages” of Time in the Bible Rick Clark Heaven Now: A Timeless Dimension – “At the risk of oversimplifying, let me say that primarily the “heavenly realm” is the same as the “spiritual realm,” which is everywhere present with us now and forever. If we are “in Christ” we live in heaven now, though I am not saying that our assignments and perspectives will not change some as we transition from these temporary bodies into spiritual bodies. There is a future heavenly life, and for this I am grateful, but there is also heaven in the now of which we can fully appreciate. As we understand that the entirety of the Bible was written and fulfilled by 70 A.D., we see the “new heaven and earth” through a different lens.” Kevin Cox – Sovereign Grace In A Green Tree; In A Dry “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen! How can Babylon hinder New Jerusalem? It cannot. We need to be reminded of this fact; Babylon is fallen, God dwells within us, so whom should we fear? We who dwell in New Jerusalem live in the city of God. The prophets earnestly desired to see what we have now.” John P. Crandell  – Reformed Are we living in the old or new covenant OR Where is Satan today? In this article I hope to prove what Covenant we are living in, Old or New, and to also show where Satan is today. This article of mine was what I wrote to a futuristic pastor in hope that he would study solo scripturo which means scripture alone when ever teaching from the book of Revelation. Breaking News Space shuttle exploded Tyrone Cropper The Nature of Christ’s Return – “The Old Testament idea of the “day of the Lord” was that God acted by means of armies or nation to judge His enemies (Luke 19:39-44). The “day of the Lord” was tumultuous, frightening, and awesome-but God did not appear visibly.” David B. Curtis – Reformed BBC RealAudio Sermons The Significance of Jesus’ Resurrection – New Audio Sermon The Law is Fulfilled  “The Mosaic Law is a unit. It exists as a unit or not at all. This notion that the Mosaic Law can be sliced and diced into ceremonial, civil, and moral is not one that you will find anywhere in the Bible. “ Preterism and the Lord’s Supper – “Redemption is complete, we are now dwelling in the promise land of the New heaven and earth, in the very presence of God. As we observe the Lord’s Supper, we celebrate a completed redemption.” An Introduction to Revelation – “The preterist approach is the best choice for interpreting Revelation in light of original relevance.” The Theme of Revelation – “Revelation was written before Nero’s death in 68AD. The book is largely fulfilled.” Inspiration and the Second Coming of Christ – “To deny the time statements that the Bible gives of the second coming is also to deny inspiration.” Gospel Preached to all the World? – “We dwell in the New Jerusalem in the very presence of God and the invitation is still going out today. Notice the invitation that goes forth from the New Heaven and Earth” “Heaven and Earth Passed Away” – “The futurists teach that the earth will be a physical paradise at the time of the new heaven and earth, but is that what the Scriptures say?” The Rapture: Physical or Spiritual? – “When Jesus Christ returned he gathered the elect of all the ages into his kingdom. We as believers now live in the kingdom of God.” The Transition Period – “Paul is saying that his justification had not yet been consummated. That might not fit your theology but it fits the context of what Paul has been talking about.  The manuscripts P46 and D, with Irenaeus and Ambrosiaster, insert the clause “or have already been justified” (dedikaiomai) for the phrase “or am already perfected.” That would mean Paul was saying, “Not that I have already attained, or have already been justified.” The Birth of a Preterist Church – “The elders imposed a gag rule and we were not to talk to anyone about preterism. We could not debate it with the elders or talk about it with anyone. They offered two options: Renounce our new understanding and refuse to study preterism or leave our eldership and membership of that church.” The Resurrection from the Dead – “The Scriptures testify that the time of the resurrection was to be at the end of the Old Covenant age. We know this to have happened in AD 70 with the destruction of the Jewish Temple. The disciples knew that the fall of the temple and the destruction of the city meant the end of the Old Covenant age and the inauguration of a new age.” Who is the Israel of God? The Transition Period Lloyd Dale – Freethinker Yahweh’s Two Wives – “if the people of Aholah could no longer be known as Israel(ites) the only other possible Hebrew designation would be “goyim” or Gentiles. Thus from the day of the divorce and setting aside into Assyria among the goyim (nations) the Israel(ites) of the northern kingdom would be know as “goyim” or gentiles-nations in the Scripture.” The Thousand Years – “Many preterists insist that the “thousand years” in the above passage is fulfilled in the 40 year period between the ascension of Jesus Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Thus from their perspective the “thousand years” becomes 40 years. We don’t think so!” Revelation 17: Dating the Book of Revelation – Presented to the faculty of Trinity Theological Seminary Vanquishing the Mosaic Marriage Law By the Death of Israel’s Husband/God – “When Jesus Christ (Yahweh incarnate) died the house of Judah’s husband was dead, and she was free (released) from that marriage law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man, the resurrected Christ.  Wherefore, my brethren (the Jews), you also are become dead to the law by the [dead] body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to Him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. “ Kenneth Davies – Evangelical An Answer to the Article By Dr. Larry Spargimino – “The “blessed hope” of the New Testament is that Christ would return within the lifetime of at least SOME of those to whom Jesus spoke (Matt. 16:27-28; 24:34, etc.). Dr. Spargimino should deal with the verses cited in the article, “An Air of Expectancy,” by Terry Siverd. If that hope was delayed or never occurred (as critics of Christianity, such as the atheist Bertrand Russell allege), then Jesus and His apostles either lied or were mistaken, and Christians truly do have a “blasted hope”! A Response to the False Witness of Keith Mathison Dan Delagrave Truth in All the Views? – “Time and time again, Jennings and his liberal theologians drove home the point that Jesus and Paul went everywhere preaching that the end of the world was near, but that it never happened when they said it would, namely within the lifetime, or generation, of the disciples. Despite this, the Christians “just kept believing”, as Jennings repeatedly said” The Times of the Gentiles – “Jerusalem’s first century desolation represented the time when Christ put his enemies – read I Thessalonians 2:15-16 – under his feet. This was accomplished during a forty two month period which Jesus called “the times of the Gentiles”. Todd Dennis  – Preterist Idealism Hebrews 12:25-29: Earthly Jerusalem as the Earthly Heart “Just as in AD70, and according to passages such as Hebrews 12:25-29, Christ’s ministry of reconciliation and sanctification includes shaking those things in us which we have made, so that those things of His which cannot be shaken may remain.  It is, in fact, His promise of grace to come in and break down our idolatrous temples so that not one filthy stone remains upon another within our hearts — this is His merciful lovingkindness, not abandoning us to the wolves, but separating the wheat from the chaff in our lives and in our hearts.   This is why every generation of Christians must enter the kingdom through persecution — not just the first generation.   And doesn’t your life in Christ manifest this trend of breaking up the fallow ground?” 2006 Classifications: Compound or “Hybrid Preterism”  (CP) –  “The idea isn’t to create “new jargon” with the 2006 website re-classifications and terminology.  They are intended solely for the organizational purposes of the website.  If people want to take them and use them (which I don’t think they should), then they are probably just going to confuse others.   A fuller presentation of all the new “2006 Classifications” is in progress elsewhere on the board.” Forward to The Consummation of the Ages The Forty Years in Biblical Typology – Throughout the Old Testament we find the usage of the number forty- God allowing a glimpse into the nature of the eternal realities, through the framework of temporal shadows. New Testament Eschatology and its Fulfillment – An Introduction to the Abundance of New Testament Passages Supporting the Fulfillment of All Prophecy in the First Century Desolation of Jerusalem. Dear (Dispensationalist Friend)… – “If Dispensationalism has all the answers, then it is the most helpful tool in Biblical interpretation.  If not, it ought to be discarded as worthless” Charles Ryrie (DT, 1965,21). Is There an Israelitic ‘Race’ Today? – A Closer Look at the ‘generation’ of the Olivet Discourse. The ‘Rapture’ is The Day of the Lord – Dispelling the doctrines which separate the coming of Christ into numerous stages No Millennial Reign of Christ on Earth – Presentation of Biblical contradictions regarding a temporal reign of Christ The Great Tribulation is Past – Examining Christ’s words in Matthew 24, and the fulfillment thereof in the first century The Seventy Weeks of Daniel Fulfilled – Daniel’s perspective on the fulfillment of prophecy. The Abomination of Desolation – Answering the commonly pondered question Christ’s Return and Gathering of Saints are Historical Events – The literal interpretation of Matthew 24:34 Christ’s Ministry of Reconciliation – “It is my contention that the book of Galatians was not written to the scattered Israelites (as Identity defines) of Galatia exclusively, but to all Christians in Galatia. In saluting those people to whom the epistle was written, Paul identifies them as ‘all the brethren,’ in v. 2 and 11. No mention of Gentile Israelite-ness, or lack thereof is made. In fact, the next mention of any type of Gentile is found in Galatians 1:16, where Paul declares that he was called to preach to the heathen, which word does not in any way imply, or distinguish, a diasporia.  In fact, in Galatians 2:2, Paul refers to the same people he preaches to as ‘Gentiles’, with no distinction in meaning made or in any way implied. Paul shows us in verse 6 that it doesn’t matter anyway, as ‘God accepteth no man’s person.’ Three Fatal Errors of Christian Identity – “It is my assertion that the inheritance of promise in the Old Testament is not only inseparable from salvation, but that it is salvation.” The Errors of Dispensationalism History of Conversion Christian History’s Preterist Presupposition The End of the World?  Apocalypse Never! Is Bible Applicable Today? Everlasting Covenant II Corinthians 5:4 Christ, Everlasting Covenant Errors of Christian Identity Victory Review How Can Preterists Believe These Things? Introduction to the Works of Josephus Introduction to PreteristArchive.com

Addressing “Parousia Delay” Critics “Jesus, in the discourses which are attributed to him, announces that he will come back immediately after Jerusalem has been defiled. If the words which are placed in his mouth have any sense, they have this sense; But for everyone who is not a sophist this dilemma poses itself categorically: either Jesus is mistaken or these discourses are not from him. The Christian church cannot without disloyalty escape this dilemma.” (T. Colani, Croyances Messianiques, 252.) Jesus didn’t fulfill the validating prophecies | Jewish view of failure of Christ’s return “The challenge is clear: Jesus is reported as predicting the end of the age in connection with the fall of Jerusalem. Moreover his use of apocalyptic material places him within traditional Jewish apocalypticism. We must as believers work with these facts. We simply dare not dismiss the material as unworthy of Jesus.” (Anthony Buzzard, Markan Apocalypse)   Regnum Christi Ministries is pleased to announce the opening of the Regnum Christi Ministries room on PALTALK.com  The room will run from 7:00-9:00 pm (EST) on TUESDAY nights Babelemlekei.hu – Gombor Gabor’s Hungarian Preterist Site Key Articles The Apostle That Remained: John 21:23 “From a careful study of the Word, one would also have to conclude that if His “coming or presence” has already occurred, then it would have been accompanied by “The Resurrection and The Judgment,” seeing that all of these events all are inextricably linked together. The following are just a very few of the passages that, when all considered, are so persuasive to me that John did indeed “remain till the coming or Parousia of Jesus” ‘Calvin is a Praeterist’ – His Translators John Calvin – “Calvin, then, was, on the whole, a Præterist. He saw the history of the world before the times of the Messiah the fulfillment of the Visions of this Book. They extended from Nebuchadnezzar to Nero. Who’s the Heretic? | Every Eye Will See Him | More on Heaven and Earth | A New Doctrine? “History will reveal Preterism as the perfect balance between Gnosticism and Dispensationalism.” Preterism and “Orthodoxy” – Dr. Gary North vs. David Chilton Compiled by Kevin Craig, X-mas Conspiracy – Gary North: “I have spent about a million dollars to publish books against apocalypticism” & (Chilton was) “the hottest ‘theological property’ in the West” – “He has now become self-damaged goods delivered on the doorstep of Max King. Charts Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War Arthur Ogden The Avenging of the Apostles and Prophets Ron McRay “Behold I am Making all Things New” New Heaven and New Earth – Larry White Max King Ages Chart John Noe’s 70 Weeks IPA’s Luke 17 Earthquake Reality All Israel Saved All Israel Saved 40 years in Typology Bimillennial Preterism 50 Days Two Ages Chilton’s Nero Soul Device Vaduva Jericho, Jerusalem, and Biblical Typology! Jesus Christ was NOT Crucified on “Good Friday” JERUSALEM PICS Poussin’s Destruction of Jerusalem Wm. Blake’s Jerusalem Nicolas Poussin Paintings – Destruction of Jerusalem | 1729 Copper Engraving of the Destruction of Jerusalem and Temple | Story behind Roberts’ Jerusalem painting | Pictures of Temple in Jerusalem | The Destruction of Jerusalem by Titus Painting (1841) – “On the stages of the burning temple Kaulbach shows the “leaders of the Jews” according to indication of the museum catalog.”

John DiVito

• An Open Letter to Moderate Preterists

Nathan Dubois

• “Remember Pella” “When life gets you down, close your eyes, envision crossing the Jordan with nothing, yet being able to soar above the clouds with unbridled joy, because your Lord IS God, and He has proven Himself faithful, and the gates of hell not only cannot prevail against you, they do not exist for you.”
• My Response to Ed Stevens’ Book “Expectations Demand a Rapture” “I promised Ed Stevens my critique on his book and I will do my utmost to be thorough and precise in everything he has written and everything I espouse. I will respond in the order that Ed has presented the arguments in this book, from preface to conclusion. I, from the beginning, admit this is an area where I have a strong stance against a physical rapture. As I have stated to many of my friends in correspondence and debate, a proper understanding of exactly what the first century Christians did expect is important in our understanding of the whole gospel and it’s place in our lives toady. This is an important issue, not to salvation, but to the knowledge of our Lord God and His plan for mankind in this world, which human kind will inhabit forever.” | The Problem of Silence Not a Problem
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Roderick Edwards – Reformed – www.thekingdomcome.com

• The Eschatology of Jesus Christ – Flash Presentation
• Vagabonds or Victors? “It is those hiding away in the theological fortresses that are actually living an illusion.”
• Kingdom Living: Prescriptive or Descriptive? “Christ spoke so “metaphysically” of the Kingdom that it is mere pretension for us (or our detractors to demand from us) to explain exactly how the Kingdom should look and operate “
• The Death of Preterism? – “On the contrary, the concept of Christ’s victorious return and eternal presence is picking up steam in this generation as never before. And it must be noted that even the opponents of Preterism realize this. For it is not books against PMI that are written but books against Preterism.”
• Tentmakers & Muckrakers: Upcoming Challenges for Preterism – “Preterism seemed to grow from a few stalwarts to thousands in a relatively short time span. Now, many of the originals are refusing to move forward or are going off into more and more exclusive positions. And as newer people come in they often bring a less well thought out form of Preterism. This conflicts with the percolated brand of Preterism avowed by most of the originals.”
• Where is the Church? – (Article and downloadable tract) “the Church is not gone per say but has been built up as the pillars of the Kingdom that has come. Why then if we are now in the very presence of the Lord, who is the eternal light so that there is no need for sun or moon, why then do we suppose there is still need for officers of the Church in the very midst of the presence of Christ?”
• Of the various Preterist camps – “the time is coming that all Preterists will have to deal with these issues (like Heaven Now, Millennium, Rapture, and many more on the horizon), or be shallow Prets.”
• Building the Kingdom Out of Old Wine Skins? – “I will not support or uphold any Preterist pastor. I feel like they are as much pretenders of authority as any Futurists pastor. If Preterism is to become just another denomination run by under shepherds then it may as well be like a cult.”
• An Introduction to Preterism – An Introduction to Preterism Workbook (Print-Formatted .doc file)
• The Best Defense is a Good Offense – “There is rumor that Keith Mathison, associate of Ligonier Minsteries (founded by R.C. Sproul) is working with others on a major project that will attempt to refute preterism. Since I’m tired of us merely being reactionaries I think it fitting that we ask some questions of them before they complete their project.”
• Mathison’s Material Breach

David Embury

• What is the Breadth of God’s Grace? – “That which had been accredited, or held in abeyance for those that believed was about to mature, was ready to be fulfilled in the Parousia of Christ – bringing in the age of righteousness 2Pt 3:13, thus bringing to fruition the outworking of their salvation [Phil 2:12] through Christ on behalf of the harvest, finding consummation in the resurrection.”

Gene Fadeley – BibleProphecy.com

• What Happened to the Rapture? – ” How little has the expectations of 21st century people changed from the expectations of first century Jews. People are still determined to have the physical king and kingdom that the first century Jews did not receive. However, the words of Jesus still ring true, “my kingdom is not of this world” and “the kingdom is within you. The root of the problem has been the failure of seeing the difference between the physical and the spiritual.”
• Who is the Antichrist? –“The word “antichrist” is only used four times in the scriptures, all by the apostle John. Surprisingly, the word “antichrist” never appears in the book of Revelation.”

Michael Fenemore – Preterism.info

• Does “Soon” Mean “Soon?”
• Challenge to the Worldwide Church of God

Ward Fenley – Sovereign Grace –  New Creation Ministries

• Conscience – “At physical death, our “mind of Christ” continues. It does not cease. The conscience remains increasingly aware of the presence of God, His nature and work, the glory of Christ, and our eternal need of Him.
• Do We Look For Another? – “Jesus physically healed many blind people. But emphasis on the physical healing of blindness was minimized in comparison with the greater reality of the healing of spiritual blindness. One need only consider the weight Christ places on the physical miracles in contrast to the weight He places on spiritual healing. Rarely, if ever, does Christ elaborate on the significance of physical miracles.”
• Audience time in the New Testament
• Why I Became a Preterist – “If Jesus did not return, Christianity is a hoax and every liberal anti-Christian professor whoever darkened the doors of a Cathedral is correct. I would rather say that I don’t know how it all worked out than deny the absolutely clear statements of Jesus Christ and the apostles that His return would take place within their lifetime.”
• The General Beliefs of Preterists – “I cannot fault the general heading of preterism..  just because a few have chosen to follow a rabbit trail leading to one of these beliefs with which I disagree. For example, I strongly disagree with any belief that teaches that none of the NT blessings of eternal life are applicable today. But that doesn’t mean it is a result of preterism.”
• PREMILLENNIAL DISPENSATIONALISM, CHRISTIAN ZIONISM, TERRORISM: IS THERE A CURE? – Ward Fenley “If we are to have an impact on the middle-east, we must have an impact on American foreign policy. If we are to have an impact on American foreign policy, we must have an impact on American politicians. If we are to have an impact American politicians, we must have an impact on fundamentalist Christian Zionists. If we are to have an impact on Fundamentalist Christian Zionists, we must use the Bible. For they claim that justification for their agenda can be found in the pages of what we know as the Old and New Testaments.”
• God With Us – Chapter One ; Chapter Two – “Matthew 1:21-23 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
• Rapture Light and Glory – “Though the reception of a physical body is defended as being the fundamental principle of the resurrection, Paul declares the following, clearly outlining the nature of the resurrection:”
• Seeing God – “Many are still waiting for some physical sight of Christ or the tree of life, but to those whom God has given sight, our vision is clear and it is sweet Proverbs 13:19 The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul…”
• Why are People Still Given in Marriage? – “the fact that there is still marriage in this physical life does not negate the fact that there is NOT marriage in the kingdom anymore than the fact that there are males and females in this physical life does not negate the fact that there are NOT males or females in the kingdom.”
• Absent From the “Body” (An Analysis of II Cor. 5) –  “transformation texts go untouched because they deal with the change from death to life and the progressive salvation that was taking place upon those first century believers. This is why there is such confusion with the imagined “already but not yet” doctrine.”
• Seed of Satan, Seed of Christ, and Riches –  “Children are counted as the SEED. They are counted as Christ. We are recipients of EVERY spiritual blessing in heavenly places and execute the reign and rule AS God in the kingdom. Just as Israel entering into the promised land was the executor of the reign of God on the physical earth, so also the NC Israel is the executor of the reign of God on the spiritual earth.”
• Glory, the Face of Christ, and Marriage – “Certainly Christ was faithful and the believers appeared with Him in glory as the marital relationship was consummated. What a blessed kingdom we have with a glorious King who owns His glorious bride.”
• Psalm 22:22-31: An Exposition – “God shows the immediate punishment coming upon Israel by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), but then gives the glorious prophetic outlook concerning the messianic kingdom. God says He would bring His people health and cure and reveal the abundance of peace and truth to them.”
• The Resurrection of the Dead Already Happened! – “True believers in Jesus Christ are completely resurrected in the fullness of the spiritual body mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15.”
• The Timing of Regeneration – “Resurrection life and light in the face of Jesus Christ are spiritual realities now for the one who believes on His name.”
• A Harmony of the Synoptics Concerning the Destruction of Jerusalem and the Coming of the Lord
• Moses, House, Rest, and the Presence of God – “The seventh day of God’s rest represents His union with His people in His rest in causing them to rest and inherit the land.”
• The Signal of John the Baptist – “John’s joy was fulfilled in knowing that she was now safe with her Husband-to-be. Why would there be any reason for John to joy in a betrothal that would not be consummated for thousands of years to come? Implicit in John’s announcement that his joy was fulfilled in hearing the voice of the Bridegroom is the manifest indication that the Husband was near.”
• Kingdom Of God & The Kingdom of Heaven: Is There A Difference? – “There was one kingdom predicted in the prophets. There was one kingdom of which our Lord spoke. And there was one kingdom that began at Pentecost and was brought to its fulness at the Parousia.”
• Heaven, Earth and Sea – “In Revelation Israel (i.e. Jerusalem) was that great harlot who trusted nations rather than God. She forsook her Husband. The Bible describes Israel as the harlot sitting upon many waters. These waters were the seas or the nations in whom she trusted”
• The Last Days – “With the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple, Jesus Christ brought to complete establishment the eternal Jerusalem from above. The last days concerned Israel and its covenant and nation. We are now in the age that was about to come”
• The Husband Who Draws His Wife – “Forgiveness is the result of the drawing love of God for His bride. Though His bride was once a vile and adulterous woman.”
• Resurrection, the Hope of Israel, and the Song of Moses – “The Song of Moses has strong elements of prophecy. This section was particularly striking as it pertains to the resurrection we now have in Christ. The fullness of resurrection comes from the OC Israelite hope of being planted in their land. To them that was resurrection. And we as Gentiles are grafted into that reality through our life with Christ.”
• To This End Was I Born (The Reason for the Season) – “During this season we call the Christmas season, we hear many carols that so joyfully proclaim Christ as King: “Come and worship, Come and worship, Worship Christ the newborn King;” “Hark the herald angels sing, ‘Glory to the newborn King;'” “Joy to the world, the Lord is come. Let earth receive her King.”
• Judgment upon all Nations Fulfilled by the Gospel
• The Failure of the Non-Covenantal Seed Analogy\
• A Letter to My Dad
• A Sovereign God and a Clay King

Bryan Forgy

• 2nd Affirmative by Bryan Forgy on Hermeneutics
• In Christ: A Response to Feast Day Prophetic Interpretation – “Rejoice the feast is fulfilled, that is why we have these blessings, and it is perpetual for the Spirit and the bridegroom say come and drink of this living water (Rev. 22:17). Christ went away to prepare a place and returned so that the tabernacle of God is among men (Rev. 21:3).”
• An Answer to Toussaint’s ‘Critique of the Preterist View of the Olivet Discourse’

Pat Forseth

• Paul’s Message to the Ephesians: God’s Eternal Purpose
• The Story of the Millennial Christ “As far as I know, no preterist disputes the coming of Jesus in AD 70 in his kingdom. The problem seems to be in short-circuiting that kingdom and closing it down almost immediately. But we have many stories to tell us why the kingdom was here, and what it  was going to do. It would grow to worldwide proportions, it would work in the world as leaven, it would bring life to the dead, and it would overcome all–not just some but all–its enemies. “

Elton Foster – Comprehensive Grace

• Face to Face – “If you believe that you have Christ living in you, then you have been made one with Him. The Marriage supper of the Lamb is come! Here is this present reality”
• The New Man – “the “Resurrection” and the “Spiritual body” cannot and should not be separated. The scriptures are clear, that the two co-inside with each other.”
• The Increase of His Government
• The Reality of Being in Christ “the problem is.. we see ourselves as individuals, and with our own individual identity, rather than one “New Man”, which is, Christ and the church made one in Holy union.”

Samuel Frost – The Reign of Christ

• Hosean Allusions in First Corinthians – “One has to do forensic work in I Cor 15. The oft repeated analogy is that of listening to one end of a phone conversation and trying to figure out the other end. Deductions, clues, hints, implications and inferences can be drawn so that a fairly accurate construction can be had. It was “made known” (vdhlw,qh) to Paul from “the ones of Chloe” that “selfish rivalries” (;ridej) had broken out among the Corinthians (1.11). No doubt, those rivalries were theologically driven at bottom, manifesting ethical and practical differences which began to wreak havoc in the way the Corinthian households gathered together for worship and fellowship.”
• An Analysis and Critique of Taken to Heaven in A.D. 70:  Blessings Expected at the Parousia “One begins to see that Harding’s definitions of what we do not have yet is rooted in an empirical bias.  That is, we can’t “see” it, so it cannot be so.  We still suffer, we still die, we still groan and we still are subject to error when it comes to seeing God.  In fact, Harding has reduced theology while on earth to “vague spiritual and mental conceptions” (322).  That is, “There is in the present, the perception an acknowledgment of true and good things – the things of God, and the person of Christ, etc., but the perception is unclear, obscure, puzzling” (321).  In heaven we will see God “face to face” but on earth our knowledge is “very imperfect” (321) of God. “
• Israel and the Gentiles “These Gentiles would also be included into the nation of the newly redeemed Israel so that they, too, would be called, ” members of Israel.” God has only one nation in his kingdom and that nation is Israel, and Israel has been raised from the dead and newly transformed into a son of God so that just as The Son of God is, so they are also.”
• Saint Athanasius and Preterism  “The Church must receive what is incontrovertible, but reject what raises serious problems in order to work out a solution within its own traditions that best resolves these problems for the sake of maintaining biblical truth (even if this means eliminating older paradigms which have created the problems in the first place). There will be, and always have been, cries of “heresy” from self-proclaimed “purists” and “keepers of the traditions”. This is to be expected. But, the ever faithful, and, in Luther’s case, the faithful few, keep raising the issues and pointing out the hypocrisy, arbitrariness, and inconsistency until such a voice is raised within the holy church that the “few” become the “many.”
• Propositions of Preterism  “as our dear saint has noted, we are without “vision and prophet.”  We are not guided by burning bushes, splitting Red Seas, clouds by day and fire by night.  These are things seen.  Yet, because redemption had not yet come, the children of Israel needed a schoolmaster.”  “the church is perfect according to the word of God, and not according to what we SEE.  That is judging the church as a child, wanting to go back to Egypt.  Modern day yearning for the good old days sound like this: “wouldn’t it be easier if Jesus just came back and did some really cool miracles?  Wouldn’t it be easier if we just discovered the ark of Noah?  Wouldn’t it be easier if we could have incontrovertible proof that Jesus returned in A.D. 70?”
• Announcing the Formation of Regnum Christi Ministries
• A Critical Response to Kurt Simmons’ Bi-Millennialism – “The question is, when were these given authority to judge? It must be when they came to life (both are aorist aspects). Thus, when they came to life, they were given thrones and authority to judge, being that they were ‘with Christ.’ This is closely akin to ‘being seated with Him in heavenly places.’ It is this that John is picturing here. When did any ‘come to life’ in Christ?”
• A Critical Response to the Kloskes’ Exegesis of I Corinthians 15 – “The “transformation” happens to both the living and the dead at the same time. KK appear to agree with this as the quote above shows, but the “change” given to the “dead” is different from the “change” given to the living, who go on living and eventually die. At the moment of their death they are “changed” by being given a “spiritual body.” However, as the quote above shows, KK believe that they have already, “spiritually speaking” or “internally” been changed with an added dimension of not yet being changed, finally (thus, leaving them to the charge of futurism of some sort). ” | The Second Coming: Mission Accomplished – An Alternative View to Current End Times
• Sam Frost on Matthew 16:27-28

Eric Fugett, Author of A Personal Revelation

• A Personal Revelation (2003) Chapter 1: The Quest Begins – “In the first three verses John uses the words “soon take place” and “time is near” to describe the events that he will be writing about. We are told in verse seven that Jesus is coming. If we combine that with the time frame that has already been discussed, then the 1st Century Church must have been relieved, excited, and alarmed as well.”
• The Second Coming of Jesus Was Not in A.D.70 – “Josephus believed it was an act of God that Gallus did not end the war at that time (Josephus, The Wars, Book II, Chapter 19, Sections 4-6). “
• The Birth of Jesus “Is it just a coincidence that when the one true High Priest comes into the world, that for the first and only time, a temporary High Priest is appointed to perform the important duties for the Day of Atonement? Not if you believe, as I do, that the exact date for Jesus’ birthday is the Day of Atonement or September 11, 5 BCE. “
• Matthew 24: Before the Second Coming of Jesus – In this article, “A Personal Revelation” author, Eric Fugett explains the signs of Matthew 24 that describe the events that were to occur before Jesus returned.
• The Seven Heads and Ten Horns – “David Chilton makes a case for the number “eight” being the number that represents resurrection in his book, Days of Vengeance (pp. 434-437). He sites the eight survivors of the flood, and Jesus’ resurrection on the eighth day (since it was a Sunday) as his reasoning. Therefore, since Rome had struggled through the reigns of Galba, Otho, and Vitellus, Vespasian’s reign represented a resurrection of the Roman Empire’s power. Vespasian defeated most of Judea and sent his son Titus to destroy Jerusalem. Titus is the prince (NKJV) who was prophesied to come and destroy the city and the sanctuary in Daniel 9:26.”
• The Resurrection of the Dead – “1 Corinthians 15:52 tells us that the last trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised. Seven Feasts of Trumpets passed from the time that John was given The Revelation (September 11 63 CE (AD)), to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE (AD). Remember that eight is the number that represents resurrection. The eighth Feast of Trumpets occurred on September 24, 70 CE (AD) shortly after the destruction of Jerusalem. This was the day that the dead were resurrected.”
• The Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus – In this article on “The Crucifixion & Resurrection of Jesus Christ,” A Personal Revelation author Eric Fugett examines the events surrounding the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

John Garcia

• Abraham and God’s Covenant – “What if I were to say that the bible is clear when it says that the promises to Abraham had there fulfillment in the days of Joshua, that the blessings promised are clearly explained in the word of God and that the only hope for Israel is to repent and come to the Savior no different than you or I.”

Jay Gary – “King Transmill”

• Of Caterpillars and Butterflies – (PMI) “Preterism is history. It must die.. It failed with Sproul to lead the church into a new day, because it could only lead from the past. It failed with the Evangelical Theological Society to influence academic scholars. It authors failed to break into mainstream Christian publishing, because of their caustic tone. Either it finds a way to cocoon itself and be transformed into a butterfly, or it will die crawling on the ground, just like it did a hundred years ago.”

Gil Gaudreau – Agnostic

• The Tree of Life and Past Fulfillment – “If we view this as paradise restored in eternity, after all things have ended, then we have to explain how come the tree of life is needed to ‘heal the nations’.”

Joseph E. Gautier, Jr.

• David Chilton –   “How is it that David Chilton went towards heresy? Is that what we do? We just wake up one morning, and decide to embrace what we know is heresy? Could it be that David Chilton got it ?”
• The Domino Effect of Matthew 16:27 – “Everything that the Old Testament Prophets had prophesied were fulfilled in that first-century generation of Christians. Just as Jesus said they would.”
• Preterist ApoLOGICetic – “All over the world, on a daily basis, traditional-thinking Christians are being converted to partial preterism. Likewise, all over the world, partial preterists are studying themselves right into full preterism, shedding futurism along the way. The direction is towards the truth.”
• All Nations Stood Before the Throne – “Why is it that traditionalists will become preterists? Will a preterist ever go back to thinking traditionally? Why is it that Arminians will become Calvinists? Will a Calvinist ever go back to thinking Arminian-ally?
• That Ye May Keep Your Own Tradition”A Refutation of the Partial Preterist’ “we” Excuse – “One reason to be suspicious of the partial preterists’ conclusions is the fact that it exists in such varying degrees. What one partial preterist says was fulfilled at AD 70, another says has a yet-future fulfillment, and vice-versa. Reminds me of plucking the petals off a daisy — “AD 70, AD 70 not.” You never know where a certain partial preterist posits a particular verse until you see it in writing. And then that may change tomorrow.”

Charles Geiser – Church of Christ

• New Testament Eschatology: Jude – Jude wrote of the end time, at least in part of his letter, of the Jewish estate just prior to A.D. 70.
• A Survey: Eschatology In Hebrews – Contains fulfillment, prophecy, promises, and the blessings of the new heaven and new earth.
• Greek Word Studies: Time Substantives – “There are at least five Greek terms denoting relative time factors in regards to “near future” events prophesied to take place within the first century milieu or genea (see Matthew 24:34).”
• The Advent of Christ & Acts 2 – “The establishment of the eternal kingdom is equated with the time of Christ’s coming in His kingdom with power, which is commonly assigned to Pentecost Day. But this is an assumption lacking scriptural proof.”
• The Sermon on the Mount – “Traditionally in churches of Christ many future references in God’s Word have been interpreted for individual Christians in each succeeding generation through time.”
• Are Christians Today “Strangers and Pilgrims?” – “Would you rather “hope” (as a pilgrim) or “have” as a Christian enjoying and realizing eternal life and the forgiveness of sins?”
• Hebrews 1:14 in Realized Eschatology – “We shall subscribe some concepts to this passage in this writing which we believe are consistent with a realized fulfillment of Bible prophecies concerning salvation in the new heavens and new earth of God which we believe exists today as the eternal kingdom of God.”
• Heaven & Earth: OT Studies, Parts I-III – To materialize stars, moon, sun, etc., in Bible prophecy is to step out of the true redemptive history and goal of the promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – If one stays with the Biblical definition of ‘earth’ in eschatology, then II Peter 3:10-13 will not be saying that this physical planet we call earth is what is meant.”

Sushil George

• Resolving Eschatological Polemics

Gary Gibbs

• The Abomination of Desolation – “As a result of not responding to God’s call to turn from their abominations, their temple was to be desolated. This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the Roman armies of Titus burned the temple to the ground. This second desolation of the temple perfectly paralleled its first destruction. On both occasions the abominations were done by the apostate people of God and the desolation was an act of judgment performed by a heathen army.”

Gabor Gombor – Reformed

• Word Games on the Rapture – “The critic who stands against the physical rapture fights against a picture of saints flying into the space. It is the next word game with the “air”. Why did not use the author the world “ouranos” here? Let us realize that a rapture does not require flying into sky. The spiritual-physical rapture does not require for a body to fly up. The body can simply disappear and the invisible new uncorrupted body emanates to the Lord. “
• More on the Man of Sin – “If the iniquity refers to the Jewish priesthood and the Man of Lawlessness was probably a leader of a rebellious Jewish party how the two are connected? According to Josephus, neither John Gischala, nor Simon of Gioras were not priests, but simply plunderers, wicked men. How the biblical ignorance of Law can be applied to criminals?“
• Response to Regarding “Annihilationism”
• Habitats of the New Jerusalem

Danny Green

• Answering Hank, the ‘Bible Answer Man’ – “we’re having a problem here..  because now we’re not talking about acceptable differences among Christians with regard to the timing of the end, but we’re now discussing something that has to do with the Gospel itself”

David A. Green  – Reformed | www.PreteristCosmos.com

• Potentially Gentry – “In his message Gentry said that hyper-preterists are “outside of the faith of the historic Christian church.” We can only conclude then that, according to Gentry, a theology that is “outside of the faith” is only “POTENTIALLY” dangerous. And from there we can only conclude that, according to Gentry:   Even though hyper-preterists are “outside of the faith of the historic Christian church,” and even though hyper-preterists reject “the faith of our fathers,” and even though “hyper-preterists are adrift on the tides of wholesale theological change,” even though hyper-preterists have broken away from “the anchor of historic Christianity,” and even though hyper-preterists stand against the very “fundamentals of traditional Christianity,” and even though hyper-preterists are undercutting the “foundations of Christian theology,” hyper-preterists are nevertheless, “potentially” RIGHT.
• The Arbitrary Principle of Hyper-Creedalism – “response to Ken Gentry’s chapter in Keith Mathison’s multi-authored book When Shall These Things Be?  The main purpose of Gentry’s chapter is to show that because (full) preterism deviates from the Ecumenical Creeds of the historic Church, we must conclude that (full) preterists are teaching a corrupt form of Christianity.”
• 101 Preterist Time-Indicators in the New Testament – “The incredible eschatological confusion that has plagued the Christian world since the days of the Reformation is a testimony to (the power of denial).”
• Preterism and the Ecumenical Creeds – “A time is coming when preterism must be answered with the Scriptures in an ecumenical council in order to authoritatively find whether it is damnable, erroneous or true. History has never seen such a council on prophecy, much less on preterism. We preterists look forward to that council. Until that time, our creedalist brothers who refuse to prove or disprove us from the Scriptures should wisely withhold their fiery indignation until and unless such a time comes as it may be appropriate. “
• Baptism Now Saves You – “As Noah and his family endured patiently in the ark, so were the first-century Christians patiently enduring a spiritual baptism, sharing the sufferings of Christ. Old-Covenant baptisms were a fading and ceremonial removal of the filth of the flesh, but New-Covenant, Spiritual baptism in Christ became the appeal of a good conscience toward God (Heb. 10:2). “- “As Noah and his family endured patiently in the ark, so were the first-century Christians patiently enduring a spiritual baptism, sharing the sufferings of Christ. Old-Covenant baptisms were a fading and ceremonial removal of the filth of the flesh, but New-Covenant, Spiritual baptism in Christ became the appeal of a good conscience toward God (Heb. 10:2). “
• The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord – The “Day of the Lord”, The “Day of Christ”, and the “Day of Jesus Christ” are one and the same day, which serves as a proof of Preterism.
• New Covenant Salvation – “We must not say that the Old Covenant was a covenant intended to save man through obedience and that the New Covenant is a covenant of grace. “
• The Gift of Tongues and That Which is Perfect – “The condemning, old (covenant) things passed away long ago.  All (covenant) things were made new.  Since the old-testament temple fell, Christ in the heart is forever the true “Tabernacle of God among men.”
• And it Came To Pass – A Review  – “the people of the first century actually saw Jesus physically coming on the clouds with the angels. He says this because of the account of Josephus in The Wars of the Jews, Book VI, Ch. V, Sec. 3, where it is written that “chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding the cities.”
• A Response to With Unveiled Face – “I believe that it is scripturally demonstrable that the cessation of the gifts at the Coming of Christ (in A.D. 70) is a biblical doctrine. There is biblical basis to say that for a preterist to be a charismatic he must bring the charismatic view to the Bible and give up the meaning of certain passages as unsolved mysteries. In contrast, the cessationist view is explicitly taught in various places which taken together produce an exegetically solid, systematic doctrine.”
• What do Preterists Believe About the Lord’s Supper?

Jim Gunter

• The New Heavens and Earth “I just can’t see but one way to interpret those words of the Lord, and that is: If “heaven and earth” have not yet “passed away,” then that old covenant, the law of Moses, is still in effect today! I just don’t see any other possible way to understand that passage. Therefore, if we take the position that the law of Moses has indeed been fulfilled and removed, which we all do, then it would naturally follow that “heaven and earth,” whatever they were, have also “passed away.” Beloved, if this is not the case, then Jesus’ words here have no meaning at all, but are contradictory in themselves!”
• Little Verse — Big Controversy! “There is one particular verse in the New Covenant Scriptures which, although relatively short in content, is of enormous significance as it relates to our eschatological thinking in the 21st century Christian community . This is because of the fact that it has much to do with how we think regarding the “Parousia” (coming, presence, arrival), which is most often spoken of as the “Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” This little verse is from a statement made by our Master in Mat.24:36 in His “Olivet Discourse,” and reads: “But of that DAY and HOUR no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.”
• “Heaven and Earth Must First Pass Away” – Matthew 5:17,18  “I am fully persuaded by these words of Jesus, that if “heaven and earth” have indeed NOT “passed away,” then we today would of necessity still be held sway under the Old Covenant or Law of Moses.  If in fact “heaven and earth” have not “passed away,” then it would mean that not ONE “stroke or the smallest letter” found in the Law has passed away!”
• “The Last Days”  – “Beloved is there any wonder why Peter on Pentecost pleaded with them to “Be saved from THIS PERVERSE GENERATION?” (Ax.2:40). Yes, folks, as an inspired apostle, Peter knew what was about to befall THAT GENERATION.”
• The Apostle That Remained: John 21:23 – “From a careful study of the Word, one would also have to conclude that if His “coming or presence” has already occurred, then it would have been accompanied by “The Resurrection and The Judgment,” seeing that all of these events all are inextricably linked together. The following are just a very few of the passages that, when all considered, are so persuasive to me that John did indeed “remain till the coming or Parousia of Jesus”
• “And Thus, All Israel Will Be Saved” Romans 11:26 “In its simplest terms, this verse is saying, “And in this manner (in this way), all Israel will be saved.”
• The Hope of Israel

Randy Hagin

• Which Covenant Did Jesus Preach? – “Jesus did not teach a New Covenant, but the same message declared from the beginning.”
• Why I Believe The Church is the Kingdom of God – “I believe the kingdom is present today. This paper is the consolidating of my response to this question.”
• Nineveh a Type and Shadow of Jerusalem – “The First Century Christians were saved from physical distraction and spiritual destruction by understanding what was meant prophecies old and new.”

Daniel Harden – Reformed

• Dan Harden’s Response to Walt Hibbard’s Support of Ian Harding’s Book – “..(O)ur spiritual condition is drastically different from those of the pre-Parousial saints, based solely on the fact that our High Priest returned and brought back with Him our completed atonement.  Christ has made us whiter than snow, blameless before the Lord, despite our shortcomings.  What was a promise / deposit for the pre-Parousial saints is a reality for us today — even while living on Earth.  Our going to Heaven when we die is BECAUSE of these fulfilled promises.  We don’t look forward to them being fulfilled in fullness when we die, or else we would never be qualified to make it on our own, for we are unable to do so on our own.  Indeed, if we didn’t have glory in fullness already, we couldn’t go to Heaven at all, for God cannot abide anything less than perfection.  But our entrance into Heaven is assured because we already have Eternal Life in fullness NOW!”
• When is a Heretic Not a Heretic?
• Rebuttal to “Absent From the Body”
• Split Decision: Olivet Stands United
• Taking Christ at His Word: Matthew 16:27-28

James B. Hartline

• After the Great Tribulation
• Why I Became a Preterist – “Even when I was a futurist, that scripture troubled me. I could never find any authority for the long “gap” that futurists place between the generation contemporary with Jesus and some nebulous future generation. Jesus said it would ALL take place in that generation. He said He did not know the day or hour, but He did announce the generation, and most Bible scholars have overlooked it.”

Edward Hassertt

• Creative Kingdom Building: Reformed Preterism and Christian Ethics – “As Reformed Preterists we do not have the excuse that the world will continue to get worse and worse, we know better! We know that God has placed the future, although under his sovereign control, in our hands for safe keeping. Only we are responsible for the condition the world is in, only we can change it. Unlike the dispensationalists, we cannot wait for the world to end so we can go to a better place. “

John Hedges – Prophet, Whiteboy

• The Preterist Train “Instead of being “TIMING” people, let us rather be known as the ones who proclaim the NATURE of our present kingdom. Lets go back to the parables of the kingdom once again, concentrating on what the Bible really says about the NATURE of the kingdom in which we NOW RESIDE.”
• The Middle Class Gospel – “There are many sites out there, Preterist and non Preterist alike that do not even have the name Jesus on their ministry web page, or a simple statement of faith. So take away your “must have great deals” and make room for what you do hold true, or perhaps what you once did.”

Rene Hedges

• Why does Preterism seem to struggle? – “Fascinating how Paul diminishes the idea of earthy things, yet the present day Christian looks forward to more earthly things. However, it is difficult for Christians today, because of their physical reality, to separate the beliefs of a physical kingdom to come and the genuine spiritual existence of the kingdom now. “

Jim B. Hendricks (d.2002) – Preterista

• Why is Preterism so Important?

Retha Hendrix – Preterista

• The Four Beasts are the Redeemed

Walt Hibbard – Reformed

• Hibbard Replies to Sam Frost’s Analysis and Critique of Taken to Heaven in AD70: Blessings Expected a the Parousia By Ian D. Harding – “At this point I think it is only fair, open and honest to urge the “heaven now” preterists to return to sanity in their eschatological studies. If they choose not to do so, they are laying themselves wide open for ridicule and laughter from the entire futurist community and many preterists as well – and even worse will do insurmountable damage to the preterist cause, and to the credibility and honor of the Lord Jesus Christ, the very One whom preterists strive to honor in virtue of their adopting the preterist viewpoint! “
• The Resurrected Body of Jesus Christ –  “I am not denying that Christ has a body. I am affirming that it is a “body of glory” that He did not possess before His crucifixion and ascension. Neither am I affirming that our resurrection will be bodiless! I believe that the resurrection does indeed involve the saints receiving new bodies (1 Cor. 15:37-38) – new, immortal, imperishable, spiritual bodies (vs. 42-49) – changed in nature from the bodies we now have.”
• The Bridge from Futurism to Preterism – “Perhaps the logic of it all ought to be turned back upon the opponents of preterism. How can they dare to suggest that Jesus really did not fulfill His promises that He said He would and in the way that He said He would? If it is scary to 21st century ears that the second coming has already happened, how much more scary should it be to suggest that the second coming has not yet taken place?”
• Five Views of the AD70 Rapture (Comment Box Fixed) – “..Mr. Ian Harding of Australia. I see his refinement of “The Literal Rapture Expectation” view, which I have called simply “The Perfect Is Heaven” view, as the only preterist view of the rapture and related events that meets the full requirements of scripture.”
• A Brief Study of Two Amazing Imminency Verses in Acts 24
• You Have Made the Commandment of God of No Effect by Your Tradition
• A Courteous Response to  Dr. Gary North’s Vitriolic Essay: “‘Full Preterism’: Manichean or Perfectionist-Pelagian? – “No early ecumenical creed, or confession that emanated from the Protestant Reformation has ever interpreted Christ’s Olivet Discourse, or any part of it, from even a pseudo-preterist perspective.”
• Hibbard Responds to Sandlin’s Response – “While being careful to distance Ken Gentry from the more consistent “full preterists,” Sandlin seems to defend the “partial preterist” view as thoroughly orthodox. Yet in spite of this, Sandlin pounces on Sproul’s statement that “the preterist is a sentinel standing against frivolous and superficial attempts to downplay or explain away the force of these [eschatological time] references”.
• Letter to the Editor of New Horizons Magazine “As one reflects on Mr. Jensen’s article, we might well ask if he intended to suggest that the dozens of passages in the Bible on the nearness of the end-time events are really not that important after all? If so, we are dealing with over 100 verses from our Lord and His disciples that obviously do have a bearing on the nearness issue.”
• Response to Tommy Ice’s recent Articles – “I found his understanding of preterism to be very shallow. While he admits that the movement is growing rapidly (no doubt it frightens him!), he is not willing to come to grips with many of the essential issues of eschatology which are causing folks to become preterists day after day.”
• Response to Ice’s Misunderstandings about the Preterist View – “Emphatically, preterism represents a return to the foundational Christianity of the first century, as perhaps no other movement can claim. It is true, when reading our Bibles, that preterists “pick up” a lot of insights that they were previously blind to in the light of their new understanding of eschatology. But this is an enrichment of the Christian faith “once for all delivered to the saints.”
• One Man’s Story of God’s Loving Care and Leading – “Losing two wonderful Christian wives is a tough pill to swallow.  Father and 13 year old daughter, both full preterists, know that their wife/mother is eternally complete in Heaven with Jesus. They know there is nothing incomplete about her salvation.”
• What About the Creeds? – “I sincerely believe that in many Protestant circles today, the Creeds and Confessions have come to be elevated to a position where they stand above the Holy Scriptures in practical authority. Don’t bother to exegete the Scriptures (they seem to be saying), just go to the Confession or the Creed.“
• Introduction of Sandlin and Hibbard | David Chilton, Leading RpP, Turned Preterist

Brian Hildebran

• Exposition of Revelation 21 “Oh, sweet and magnificent are these words to the ear, God dwells with men NOW. We are NOW in His presence. Why this Jerusalem is like the Old but vastly superior because God is the Temple therein. No earthly elements, only the True and Living God. We have direct access to HIM. No veil to pass through, no ceremonies to attend to first. We have vital access to Him NOW. Again this is in contrast to the Old Jerusalem. What benefits we have from the New Covenant!”

Donald Hochner – Freethinker

• Why I Became a Preterist – “We must honestly and humbly accept the clear, straight-forward interpretation of Matthew 24:34: The generation to whom Jesus was speaking that day was not going to pass away until all the things of Matthew 24 came to pass.”
• Daniel 11 & 12 – ‘Daniel’s people in “the latter days” in the flow of history from Darius the Mede, the Persian era, Alexander the Great, divided into four Greek dominions, Antiochus the Great, the Maccabees revolted, the Hasmoneans rulership, the Herodians rulership, the Jewish revolted, the scattering of the holy people and the end of the age when the saints possessed the Kingdom of God. “
• Does the Bible teach the “Rapture”?  – A Study on The Olivet Discourse and 1 Thess. 4-5. “This may change the way you view the fulfillment of prophecy, perhaps even the way you view the whole Bible, as it did for me.”
• Greek – Aion (Age) – Aion, interpreted “age,” is often mistaken for meaning “the whole world.”
• Greek – Genea (Generation) – One of many problems for some futurists have is the correct definition of the word, “generation.”
• Greek – Mello (about to) – Mello, interpreted “about to”, shows that Christ was to return within that generation.
• Greek – Stoicheia (Elements) – The “elements” of II Peter 3’s meltdown are not from the periodic table, but the elements of religious training, or the ceremonial precepts that are common to the worship of Jews and of Gentiles.
• Greek – Parousia (Coming) – The Greek word for “advent, coming, or presence” displays the meaning of His return.
• Who Is Elijah the Prophet? – If Jesus meant, in Matt 5:17-18, the passing of the physical heaven and earth, then we would still bound with the Law today.
• Download Donald Hochner’s “Preterist View” Diagram

Matthew Hocker

• 70 Questions for Pre-Tribulational, Pre-Millennial Dispensationalists – “Why was Daniel told to seal the words of his prophecy for the time of the end (Daniel 12:4,9) , but John was told to NOT seal his prophecy, because the time was at hand (Revelation 22:10) ?”

Jim Hopkins

• The Martyrs of Jesus – “The existance of these witnesses also does something else; it gives credibility to the early date of the book of Revelation. The persecution that befell the witnesses was all about their having seen Jesus and they were still alive to tell it.”
• The Day Drawing near – To place the end of the Jewish age at the cross, rather than at Israel’s judgment, leads one into conclusions which tend to make void the prophecies of the Old and New Testaments and promote a false expectation and hope”
• Dating the Book of Revelation – “The date of the Apocalypse I now assign, with the majority of modern critics, to the year 68 or 69 instead of 95, as before.”
• The Consummation (End) of the Age – “In the first century, the earnest of the Spirit was consummated in the receiving of the kingdom.”
• Using the Old Testament – “Ending the Jewish age at the cross and inserting a Christian age in between ‘the coming age’ is not handling aright the word of truth.”
• The Binding of Satan – “In the spiritual realm Satan has been removed from between man and his maker. “
• Redating the First Deportation of Judah – Redating the First Deportation of Judah From 606 B.C. to 597 B.C.

Tom Huber

• Letter to Some Brethren on 2 Peter 3 Regarding the Destruction of the Heavens and the Earth – “Due to the recent discussion on 2 Peter 3, I felt I should present my understandings in a verse by verse format. I believe this will present my opinions in a clearer manner. I hope that what I have presented below is received as a reasonable understanding of these texts. I just want to show that there is a credible basis for what I believe to be true, and that nothing in what follows is against sound doctrine. Thank you for your time, and patience.”

Marvin E. Jacobs

• The Eternal Kingdom – “Christ came in His eternal kingdom in ‘the last days’ of the Judah and Jerusalem system of things, ‘immediately after the tribulation of those days’, (referring to the besiegement and destruction of Jerusalem), before that generation ceased.”

H.L. James

• The Hole in Paul Manata’s Donut (why his Transcendental Argument is dead) “Paul Manata thus creates a side argument which essentially says: “The Preterist believes” without showing WHY the Preterist believes these things (i.e. the words of Christ in his time statements), or reasons why the Preterist “shouldn’t” believe these things (i.e. “why the Preterist is mistaken in his belief”). Manata is essentially arguing “The Preterist says,” and not “the Preterist says that JESUS SAYS.”

Timothy James

• A Rejection of the Non-Occurrance Theory – “The fact that they believed the Lord had come before A.D. 70 shows that they interpreted His return as a spiritual coming in the early church. Even though they were premature, it only supports our early research that they expected His return just as He said, in that generation.”
• Preterist Eschatology in the Sixteenth Through Eighteenth Centuries
• Timothy James’ Compilation of “Return of Christ in Religions”
• Rethinking Realized Eschatology

David Johnson

• An Answer to Trotter’s “Naughty Names”

Max R. King – Transmillennial (TM)

• 2/13/4: The Cross and The Parousia of Christ

Tim King – Transmillennial (TM)

• Interview with Tim King “Some “leaders” in the preterist camp have been asserting that you are a universalist, because of some of the aspects of Comprehensive Grace. Well, I should ask you plainly, are you a universalist? Do you subscribe to “some form” of universalism and do you believe that everyone will go to heaven after his or her physical death?”
• Battle for the Future | Forum – “many proponents of preterism often rush from partial preterism to full preterism almost overnight” (Ice, The End Times Controversy (Eugene: Harvest House Publishers, 2003), 66)
• Baghdad, Babylon and Prophecy
• Presence Today Last Days “a new program is posted each Wednesday  by 7 pm, EST. The new show is archived for at least a month,  so you can catch it anytime.  On Jan 29th, I plan to address the “Kingdom Coming Views” of the 1st century.”

Greg Kiser

• The Thousand Years Happened in the First Century – “Since all of these 7 churches are no longer in existence today, and they were real churches that John wrote to in the first century, wouldn’t all these promises have to be fulfilled to them before they ceased to exist? Or are we to believe that they are still awaiting their specific promises from Jesus to yet be fulfilled?”
• Peter was referring to Jerusalem as Babylon in 1 Peter 5:13 – “In the scripture in question (1 Peter 5:13), who is Marcus?  If it is a reference to John Mark then we presumably know that his original residence was in Jerusalem in the house of his mother. So if Marcus is John Mark, then the “church” would also be at Jerusalem (Acts 12:12).”
• Revelation was written before 70 AD – “There were “other apostles” still around according to Revelation 2:2.   Tradition has it that all the apostles were dead before 70 AD and John was the only original surviving past that time.”
• The “Babylon” of Revelation is referring to Jerusalem – “It is being held responsible for the “blood of the saints” and the “blood of the martyrs of Jesus (Revelation 17:6; 18:24) just as Jerusalem was (Matthew 23:29-39; 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16, see references in #2 above also).”
• What is Preterism?
• First Century Astronomy : Moon Chart
• 40 Years in Biblical Typology – “And as Ishmael persecuted Isaac, so also in our life after the cross, our flesh persecutes our spirit. Howbeit, as we grow older in Christ, our spirit becomes more dominant over this fleshly persecution. But we do not obtain total victory until our flesh is put to rest in physical death. At this point, it is indeed a personal Parousia of Christ; our physical body completely loses its influence (like the Old Covenant in 70 AD) and our spiritual body is completely set free.”

Michael Krall – Pristine Grace

• The Sting of Death “Most people apply the verses in Charles Wesley’s “Easter” hymn, as referring to Christ’s resurrection. After all is that not what the whole song is about? Yes it is, but are those verses quoted in 1Cor 15:54ff, which are taken from two Old Testament passages, fulfilled at the resurrection of Christ or at some time future to that resurrection? Paul is quite clear when he says “So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written…”
• The Receiving of the Kingdom – When was the kingdom of God received by Christ and the saints of the Most High? There are several passages that show us exactly when and how the kingdom was received.”
• A Look at Who Babylon is in the Book of Revelation “Note that in both these sections of Scripture the city is burned and then comes the marriage feast. Is there any doubt now as to the reality of whom the great city is? The comparison of Matthew 22 with Revelation 18-19 is very striking.”
• The PALTALK Adversaries of Preterism: What Are They Afraid Of? – “It is obvious that the reason they are afraid to debate on neutral ground — and some even hide behind the false statement that they don’t debate heresy — is because they cannot respond to the timing texts and the issue of audience relevance. They think the nature of the resurrection is the big issue but none of them have as of yet taken the time to respond to any articles or answer questions that deal with the nature of the resurrection from a Preterist perspective. “
• The Shoehorn Theology of Manata’s TAAHP Argument – “when asked point blank in a discussion group if there are any liars or unclean people in the internal (to use his term) New Covenant he said “deal with progressive sanctification.” Implying by that statement that truthfulness and cleanness come progressively in the life of Christian and before the believer dies he MUST be fully delivered from what is unclean and lying (false doctrine) through this progressive sanctification, or else how can he enter that city described in Rev 21:27?”
• The Nature of the Resurrection – “the kingdom comes without observation when Jesus comes in power and great glory in the glory of the Father whose comings in the Old Testament were also not with observation.”
• More Refutation of Paul Manata’s TAAHP Argument Regarding Liars in the New Heavens and Earth
• The Promise of a New Heavens and New Earth – When? – “claiming a double fulfillment does not solve this problem as to who this is that preceded the coming in of the new heavens and new earth. Timing has been established and claiming double fulfillment is mere speculation resulting from a preconceived notion that there must be a literal destroying and recreating of the cosmos.”
• Refuting the Transcendental Argument Against Preterism – “So what are we left with if this is a description of heaven? We are left with either some intermediate state of the dead in Christ or soul sleep neither of which  would be a place where these blessings can and will be realized.”
• The Manifestations of the Sons of God – “The New Covenant is a fulfilled hope where the believer is living in the light of the full and complete redemption of our blessed Redeemer.”\
• What if Fulfilled Eschatology is Proved False? – “Those holding to fulfilled eschatology take the time factors in the New Testament such as “there are some standing here that will not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom” in Matthew 16:28 to be literal.”
• Israel’s Hope – Compiled by Mike Krall “the hope of Israel was indeed the resurrection of the dead.”
• A Better Resurrection – “So if he is yet to return at the end of the age of  everlasting covenant instead of the end of the old covenant then these  hopes are not fulfilled and we are not in possession of eternal life, do not have righteousness by faith nor do we have salvation. That is what we are left with if Christ has not returned and he is then  an absent king and the New Covenant is still a time of unfulfillment.”

Brian L. Martin

• Behind the Veil of Moses
• All These Things… – “This is God speaking to Moses at the burning bush. He is going to deliver the Israelites out of Egypt, and bring them into Canaan. More importantly, here we have presented in face value scripture that the Lord came down. It wasn’t physical, although much happened in the physical realm as evidence of His coming down. This is exactly what Preterists believe happened in 70 AD. Christ returned, delivered His saints, and judged His enemies. How can we believe the scriptures when they tell us that the Lord came down in deliverance/judgment in the first generation, and yet not believe them when they tell us that He would do the very same to the last (His) generation – especially when we see virtually identical events taking place?”

Timothy P. Martin

• Beyond Creation Science – How Preterism Refutes a Global Flood and Impacts the Genesis Debate “This book is a critique of the main Creation Science presupposition from the perspective of covenant thinking.  I hope to demonstrate a methodological, theological and historical correlation between the rise of Creation Science ideology and the prevalence of dispensational theology in America during the 20^th century.”

Vern Mason

• How to See Him Now – “He was then with them physically, but was to soon be in them. “The world seeth me no more, but…” They were to soon see Him in a infinitely greater dimension, one which had no end. And they did. “
• Idolatry in the Doctrine of the Second Coming? – “We have no need for a physical presence, for the Spiritual is infinitely superior to the physical. It was the spiritual aspect of the Kingdom that was central to Christ’s teachings.”
• Miracles Ceased? – “This Article is an attempt at providing a logical and scriptural answer for those who have failed to consider the context and by doing so have taken a stand against Christ’s on-going intervention via answers to prayer, the gifts, etc.  Let me admit here that those fellowships who have embraced the continuation of the Gifts, and the like, most often, have projected, at the least, much confusion, and in many, if not most, cases they have openly embraced the leadership of charlatans.”
• 10/18/2: An Eschatology of Victory

TL Mayle

• Discover Preterism – “When they proposed that the earth revolved around the sun, And the earth wasn’t flat, and that Jesus had come, It was common belief that those notions were false And to prove them true, there is always a cost.”

John McPherson – Reincarnation Universalist

• The Kingdom of Heaven — Not the Church – “There is NO room for human authority to share the authority of Christ Jesus our King and Sovereign within our New Covenant Kingdom. Those of us who have gained membership within the Kingdom via circumcision in heart and spiritual rebirth have NO accountability to human authorities of any kind. Anyone who believes otherwise must demonstrate this to be the case from the texts focusing on THE KINGDOM – NOT the Church.”

Richard McPherson

• A Response to “Reconsidering the Scriptures”: Part One – Richard McPherson – “If you believe that the “Heavens and Earth” has not pass away and it is still in the future, by using scripture alone, we are STILL under the law. You are correct, we need to “Reconsider Scripture” and put it into context without twisting in any form or faction. Also, without using creeds and by using SCRIPTURE ALONE.” – Reconsidering the Scriptures – Steve Lehrer
• What Kind of “God” Do We Know? – “Thomas Ice states that Daniel 9:24-27 supports a gap and that Daniel knew there was a gap between the 69th and 70th week. He also believes that Jesus did not know about the gap when He quoted Daniel. Daniel knew about and not Jesus. God the Father must have forgotten to tell Jesus about this little gap. Not only that, Jesus lied to His disciples and to the people when He taught to about the “Kingdom of God” being “near” or “at hand”. If Jesus lied about this, what other things did He lie about?”
• The Lord’s Supper: Is it for Today?
• If Christ Has Not Come “The Futurist needs to rethink everything, because under their belief we should be living under the Law of Moses still, to be consistent with scripture.”
• Does Satan Exist Today? – “The Bible says NOTHING on the origin of the Devil. Personally, I really do not wonder about his origin. The big thing is that he is defeated, destroyed and is no more. Where did the devil start? Who really cares, because he is no more.”
• Preterism-Eschatology.com

Arthur Melanson – Reformed

• What About the First Century Rapture? – “About this time Ed Stevens, after long study, wrote and published a book, Expectations Demand a Rapture. Walt Hibbard wrote one foreword for Ed’s book, we wrote the other. The book has met with intense opposition. Nevertheless, it is a breakthrough of major proportions. It’s not that Ed has discovered the rapture; that knowledge is as old as Scripture, but it is a major breakthrough in seeing and understanding what the first century Christians knew and understood. It’s a breakthrough that has the power to give fresh, accurate insight to the preterist movement.”
• The Rapture – “If Jesus came back in 70 A.D. then what about the rapture? Fair question. In this study we will look at some Biblical answers.”
• II Corinthians 5:4 – Are we in heaven today?  Some Preterists think so.
  Isaac Came Back From the Dead – “When the Bible says Abraham received Isaac from the dead in a figurative sense it is telling us.. in a figurative sense, Abraham represents God the Father as Isaac represents Christ the only begotten Son.”
  Annihilation? Heaven Now? Universalism? | The Promise to the Fathers | The Appearing of the High Priest | You’re a Preterist? What do you have to look forward to?

Timothy Miller

• The Book of Hebrews and the End of the Age – “Hebrews was written as a final warning to professing Jewish Christians not to reject entrance into the kingdom of God by apostatazing from Christianity just before God’s covenental wrath was to be violently poured out on the unregenerate, rebellious nation of Israel during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.” – “Hebrews was written as a final warning to professing Jewish Christians not to reject entrance into the kingdom of God by apostataizing from Christianity just before God’s covenantal wrath was to be violently poured out on the unregenerate, rebellious nation of Israel during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.”

Stan Moody

• Introduction to Crisis in Evangelical Scholarship

Bill Moore

• What about the book of Enoch? – “From a preterist perspective, 1 Enoch adds considerable weight to the many passages in the New Testament which clearly indicate that the consummation of the age together with Christ’s second coming took place in A.D. 70 (in the destruction of Jerusalem). This being the case, it should not surprise us to learn that 1 Enoch was banned by Hilary, Jerome, and Augustine and was subsequently lost to Western Christendom for over a thousand years. In short, it was suppressed. Why? Because it could not be made to fit their idea that Christ’s coming had not yet been fulfilled.”

Jim Nicolosi – Fmr. Catholic

• Eschatology and the finger of God – “Much speculation has been made as to what Jesus wrote in the dust with His finger when confronted by the Pharisees concerning the woman caught in adultery (John 8:3-9). This study will draw a parallel with the book of Daniel 5:2-31 concerning the events involving Belshazzar, the son of Nebuchadnezzar. “
• A Response to the McAteer Initiative
• Judas, the Devil and Satan – “The adversary for Judas in John 13:27 (and for each of us) was the “old man” (our “old self”) spoken of above. More specifically, the “adversary” thoughts that entered into the mind of Judas originated in his heart as it does for all of us.”
• Isaiah 34 & Revelation Parallel – “Clouds in the bible speak of God in all His power and majesty.  Remember in Acts that it said that Jesus was taken up and HID by a cloud…the Bible was not telling us what the weather was like that day but rather the part that the Father played in the ascension of Jesus.  This brings me to the verses that have often been used as evidence of a rapture.”
• The Rapture and Clouds – “Clouds in the bible speak of God in all His power and majesty.  Remember in Acts that it said that Jesus was taken up and HID by a cloud…the Bible was not telling us what the weather was like that day but rather the part that the Father played in the ascension of Jesus.  This brings me to the verses that have often been used as evidence of a rapture.”

John Noē, Ph.D. – Reformed Hybrid

• Restoring the Kingdom-of-God Worldview to the Church and the World – “To be presented at the 49th annual meeting of the Midwest Region of the Evangelical Theological Society on the campus of Lincoln Christian College and Seminary, Lincoln, Illinois, March 19-20, 2004. The conference theme is: “Taking Every Thought Captive to Christ: Theology and the Formation of a Christian Worldview.”
• What About Paul’s Man of Sin? “In dramatic paralleled fashion, Scripture gives this “man of sin” John of Gischala, the son of Levi- the name of” the one doomed to destruction” or “the son of perdition,” the same name given to another infamous betrayer, Judas Iscariot (compare Jn. 17:12 with 2Th. 2:3 KJV). Both appeared in the same “last days” time frame of the Old Covenant age. Judas betrayed Jesus. John of Gischala betrayed the Jews, fulfilling Paul’s “man of sin” prophecy to a tee.  “
• Armageddon: Past or Future? “Armageddon is coming April 8th! According to proponents, that’s the publicized date when it will be “unleashing everywhere” and “no one will escape!” The only question now being asked by a multi-media promotional campaign is, “Are you prepared for Armageddon?”
• Beyond the End Times
• 12 Most Common Mistakes People Make About Bible Prophecy and the Endtimes
• Seven Demanding Evidences Why Christ Returned | A Measured Response to Garringer’s Critical Comments
• The Shame of Sereiah
• The Only Defense in the Major Case Against Christ, Christianity, and the Bible.”
• Noe’s Response to Stevens
• 9.5 THESES
• Attack on America’ NOT Linked to End-Times

Arthur M. Ogden

• Dating the Book of Revelation – “The final destruction of Jerusalem came in 70 A.D. God’s purposes and plans were all in place by this time. Nothing remained to be done.”

Kenneth Perkins

• Jesus and the Eschatological Resurrection – “Many opponents of full preterism charge preterists with denying the bodily resurrection. Among the strongest opponents are partial preterists, who, without justification, sever the tribulation of Daniel 12:1 from the rising of both the just and the unjust in Daniel 12:2, even though many hold this “great tribulation” to have occurred in the destruction of Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15-22).”
• Preterist Views on the Resurrection – “In being clothed with Christ, one becomes an heir of the promise and a descendant of Abraham. In fact, when people are united with Christ, they become “…members of His body” (Ephesians 5:30, NASB).”
• John the Baptist and Eschatological Prophecy – “The person of John the Baptist poses a great problem for the premillennial prophetic hermeneutic. By fulfilling spiritually Isaiah 40:3-5 and Malachi 4:5, 6, John the Baptist vindicates the preterist contention that prophecies can be fulfilled without the wooden literalism of premillenialism. Moreover, not only does the Malachi prophecy connect the appearance of John the Baptist to the coming of the day of YHWH, but John the Baptist foresaw a soon wrath upon the people. Coupled with the numerous declarations of Jesus and His apostles, this demonstrates clearly that the judgment was to occur soon from the vantage point of the first century.”
• Will There Be a Rapture? – “Christians are continually with the Lord; He and His Father dwell with us in the New Jerusalem that has come out of heaven.”

Don Preston – Church of Christ

• The Kingdom Does Not Come With Observation  – A Study of the Resurrection
• 3/13/3: The Parousia: Defining the Second Coming
• Is Prophetic Time Elastic? – “If it can be shown that the traditional concepts of the ambiguity and relativity of prophetic time statements are incorrect, then the preterist construction of prophecy will have been vindicated.”
• The Ashes of the Red Heifer – “If Christ has not completely fulfilled the prophetic aspect of the red heifer sacrifice the old law is still in effect. If he has fulfilled the prophetic element of that offering the old law has passed—and death has been abolished.”
• A Full-Grown Baby? – “A key point of controversy is the contention that the church/kingdom was not fully established on Pentecost but was in a state of incompletion until the Old World was taken out of the way in AD 70. Every anti-Preterist which this writer has read or heard has made a major issue over this point.”
• Misconceptions About Misconceptions – “Since the disciples did not lack understanding as has been generally assumed, it is easy to correlate the parallel passages of Mark 13 and Luke 21 with Matthew 24.”
• Every Eye Shall See Him – “It is strange indeed that such a literalistic interpretation has been imposed on Revelation 1:7 when this violates the inspired interpretation (Matthew 24:30-34) of the source of the verse (Zechariah 12:10.)”
• A Critical Text – “We conclude that Matthew 16:27-28 is a prediction by Jesus to return in judgment, in his kingdom glory, in the lifetime of his disciples.”
• With The Sound of the Trumpet – “The trumpet was to be blown for the gathering of God’s elect from the “death” of separation from God’s presence and fellowship.”
• Those Days – vs – That Day – “We believe we have shown that in Matthew 24:36, when Jesus said “But of that day and hour knoweth no man,” that his reference was to “that day” that would climax “those days” leading up to the final dissolution of the Old Heaven and Earth of Israel at the return of Messiah in 70 AD.”
• The World That Perished – “Peter foresaw the coming dissolution of another society, the Jewish world. This is exactly what happened in a.d. 70 in the conflagration of the capital, heart, and soul of the Theocracy of Israel.”
• How Heaven & Earth Passed Away! – “If you believe that the Old Covenant has passed away then you must believe that Heaven and Earth have passed away!”
• More On Heaven And Earth – “Many passages in the New Testament speak of the “heavens and earth” with no reference to the physical heaven and earth”
• How Is This Possible? – “Since the Thessalonican concept of the day of the Lord was the Old Covenant concept, and their concept was CORRECT then it follows that the day of the Lord for which they were looking was not the end of time but was instead a time when God would judge his people.”
• A Local Judgment? – “We find untenable the contention that the fall of Jerusalem was a localized judgment. It was in fact the universal judgment of the living and the dead!”
• More On No Death, No Sorrow, No Pain – “To literalize means that the Old Covenant prophecies have not yet been fulfilled and Jesus taught that all prophecy had to be fulfilled before the Old Covenant could pass.”
• World Without End – “The Bible does not speak of the end of time, but of the time of the end.”
• Can God Tell Time? – “If “at hand” time statements mean nothing at all, then God cannot tell time.”
• Babylon The Great of Revelation – “In Revelation the coming of Christ, the New Creation, judgment and resurrection are associated with the fall of Babylon. To mistakenly identify Babylon is to incorrectly interpret these issues.”
• When All Things Written… – “When we mistakenly believe the Bible is concerned about the “end of time” instead of the “time of the end” we cannot allow Jesus’ words in Luke 21:22 to speak for themselves.”
• Typology and Covenant Eschatology – “It is demonstrated from Scripture that the fall of Jerusalem was indeed the antitype of the Flood.”
• Hebrews 9:28 – The Second Coming – “Since Christ’s coming in 70 was the coming for redemption, and since he was to return only once for salvation per Hebrews 9:28, then Christ’s return in 70 was the final coming of Christ.”
• Thessalonians & The Olivet Discourse – “Context and consistency demands the identical subject matter of the Olivet Discourse and II Thessalonians 2–the end of the Old World of Judaism at the coming of Jesus Christ in 70 AD.”
• The Time Has Come – “1 Peter 4:17 has revealed very powerful evidence that Peter was anticipating the consummative judgment coming of Jesus.”
• Nature of the Parousia – “In his discussion of the transition from the “outer man” to the inner, from the temporal to the eternal, Paul says “we do not look on the things that are seen, but on the things that are unseen” (2 Corinthians 4:16f). He patently cannot be saying that the resurrection change would be unperceived! It would be seen (perceptual) but unseen (not optical!).”

Jeff Quillin

• The End of the World

Charles Roberts

• Cashing in on Fear and Faulty Theology – “..everything from helicopters and atomic bombs to computer chips lurking below the surface of the words of Scripture, but the one thing they seem not to be able to find is the ability to interpret things like “coming on the clouds,” “the moon not giving its light,” and “ wars and rumors of wars” in light of what the Bible itself says about those things!”

David Sergeant

• Millennium Now – “In the pages that follow, we will look again at the key biblical prophesies and attempt to discern just what they are saying to us. Are they really predicting such a bleak future? Or are they telling us that Christ has already overcome and that the future is safe in God’s hands?”

Lynn Schuldt

• A Christian Dilemma? – “The case for complete fulfillment of Bible prophecy by the end of the first century”

Corey Schultz – Reformed

• He Was Not Abandoned to Heaven? – “When Peter speaks of Jesus not being abandoned to Hades, where is this place of which David spoke?   The Westminster Confession of Faith states that the Bible recognizes only “two places” to which those who physically die go…  To conclude that Jesus was raised from Heaven destroys the full biblical doctrine of the resurrection from the dead and places on itself serious implications as to what the resurrection from the dead means. “
• Water and Reformed Futurism – “CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema. (The Seventh Session of the Council of Trent)”

Jack C. Scott Jr. – Church of Christ

• A Troublesome Thorn, But For Whom? – “No one should ever be intimidated by someone who has “assumed” a particular theological view to be correct, who then sets up some tidy little questions, that if not answered correctly (according to his view), would theoretically prove one’s own view incorrect. Starting with an “assumption” or a “this is the way we have always believed it” mentality has no place in the realm of valid exegesis and hermeneutical science.”
• But What Will They Do Will Luke 17? – “A warning to the intrepid! Daring to rise up and question some of the issues of eschatology that have been so readily believed and taught, or more accurately, the “way” they have been believed and taught, can result in vilification and one being treated as a pariah. This is not an area of study for the easily frightened. “
• Sticking To The Issues?

Larry Siegle – Church of Christ

• On the Resurrection – “The IBD view steps backwards and seeks to find a physical application to that which God intended to be spiritual in nature.”
• Salvation Surgery – “From a physical standpoint, Adam and Eve did not experience death “in the day” of their transgression. Therefore, the “death” Adam and Eve would face “in the day” of their transgression must have had reference to something other than biological cessation.”

Daniel T. Silvestri

• All Jewish Festivals Are Fulfilled – “I agree that Jesus’ “appearing a second time” is wrapped up in the Judaic law, but to think we continue to wait for atonement of sin and to be in the presence and tabernacle with God is simply not Biblical.”
• Questions for Dispensationalists, Premillennialists, and other Futurists – “a brief exposition challenging the Biblical legitimacy of the currently popular “end times” prophetic scenarios surrounding the “second coming” of the Lord Jesus Christ.”
• Perspectives in New Testament Eschatology – “A brief exposition of the general presuppositions which guide Biblical interpretation. Special emphasis is placed on the Spiritual nature of the Biblical scriptures and how intellectual understanding guides eschatological perception.”
• Futurist Eschatology Unconvinving

Kurt M. Simmons – Bimillennial

• Rethinking II Peter III: Toward a More Expansive Understanding of the Eschaton “In this article we examine II Peter 3:7-13 and decide that the heavens and earth that were marked for destruction involved considerably more than merely Old Testament Judaism, Jerusalem, and the temple.”
• The Road Back to Preterism: A Brief History of Eschatology and the Church – “Origen states that Daniel’s seventy weeks were fulfilled in the coming of Christ;  But what is more astonishing by far, Origen indicates that the eschatological “coming” of the Lord with “fire” is to be understood figuratively of the destruction of Jerusalem, as maintained by Preterists: “We do not deny, then, that the purificatory fire and the destruction of the world took place in order that evil might be swept away, and all things be renewed; for we assert that we have learned these things from the sacred books of the prophets…And anyone who likes may convict this statement of falsehood, if it be not the case that the whole Jewish nation was overthrown within one single generation after Jesus had undergone these sufferings at their hands. For forty and two years, I think after the date of the crucifixion of Jesus, did the destruction of Jerusalem take place.”
• The Two Millenniums, Difficulties with the Thousand Years
• Transmillennialism™ A Critical Review of “The Millennium” of Max King “The vicarious redemption of the Old Testament saints is not limited baptism, vicarious suffering is also taught. “The suffering of the first-fruits (New Testament saints) is overcoming that present world (age) led, not only to their own perfection, but also to the perfection of all true spiritual Israel.” Thus, according to Max King, Old Testament saints could approach Jesus only indirectly through the suffering and obedience of others!”
• Restored Israel and the Kingdom of the Messiah – “The union of men from every race and language under the kingship of Christ bespeaks a reversal of the division made at Babel. Hence, we may expect language pointing to a time when a common tongue would be restored to mankind.”
• Why the Single Millennium Model Forces a Futurist Eschatology – “The single millennium model forces the reader to adopt a futurist eschatology because the reign of the martyrs who die under the beast is followed by yet another contest prior to the second coming of Christ. ..the images of Rev. 20:1-10 are not progressive, but are a recapitulation. There were not three end-time battles, but one; the battle of Gog and Magog is the same battle described elsewhere in Revelation under different symbols.”
• Appendix “A” – Proposed Chronological Table of Historical Fulfillment
• The Eschatological Change – “bearing in mind that Paul spoke in a mystery and that the eschaton came and went in A.D. 70 without the actual or personal translation of believers to heaven, we are compelled to give an explanation of what the language really means. What “change” did believers experience in A.D. 70, how was mortality swallowed up by life, and in what sense were they translated to meet the Lord in the air?”
• The Angels of the Bottomless Pit – “In a previous article discussed the identity of Revelation’s great red dragon. There we concluded that the dragon had a duel identity first, as a metaphor for the prince of this world – sin and death – and, second, the embodiment of sin and death in the world civil power as the enemy of God and his people (viz., Egypt, Assyria, Babylon) or, more specifically for purposes of Revelation – Imperial Rome. “
• The Great Red Dragon – “the binding of the Dragon is central to the imagery of Revelation twenty, perhaps the most difficult and elusive chapter in the whole Bible. Whole schools of interpretation have grown up around the imagery of Revelation twenty and the binding of the Dragon; Pre-, Post-, and A-millennialism define the “millennial reign” of Christ and the saints by Dragon’s binding.”
• The Consummation of the Ages – (30% discount on purchases of three or more copies; 40% discount on purchases of five or more) Over 15 pages of charts and timelines detailing historical fulfillment of Israel’s Last Days and Revelation’s imagery
• The Resurrection of the Flesh – “Since physical bodies are no part of the first resurrection, what basis is there to believe they will be part of the second resurrection of the soul in heaven? To the contrary, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.” (I Cor. 15:50)”
• The Binding of the Great Red Dragon – “The reign of the righteous in paradise did not depend upon the punishment of the wicked in tartarus. If a single soul was never shut up in tartarus, the righteous would still have reigned in paradise. There simply is no correlation between the blessed estate of the one and the punishment of the other. This is equally true of the Dragon and the martyrs. There is no indication that the reign of the martyrs is somehow defined or dependent upon the binding of the Dragon; not a single word to this effect appears in the text. “
• What is Bimillennial Preterism? – “Bimillennial Preterism is a school of Biblical eschatology that advocates there are two millennial periods contemplated by the text of Rev. 20:1-6, rather than the traditional single millennium advanced by other schools and commentators.
• What is Preterism?

Dr. Steven Sizer – Transmillennial (TM)

• An Alternative Theology of the Holy Land – “The destruction of the temple and sacrificial system in 70 AD fulfilled that prediction. Until the rise of the novel theology of Christian Zionism, unlike the Jews, Christians have never looked to or expected the Temple to be rebuilt. Christian attitudes to the Temple therefore crystalise the issue. The choice is between two theologies. One based primarily on the shadows of the Old Covenant and one based on the reality of the New Covenant. Christian Zionism is an exclusive theology that focuses on the Jews in the Land rather than an inclusive theology that centres on Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world. Christian Zionism provides a theological endorsement for apartheid and ethnic cleansing, what Don Wagner calls “Armageddon Theology” rather than the inclusive theology of justice, peace and reconciliation which lie at the heart of the New Covenant. “

Terry Siverd – Church of Christ

• The End of All Things – “When Peter said “all things” he was referring to the fulfillment of ALL Biblical prophecy.”
• An Air of Expectancy – “If it is true, that the early (pre-70 A.D.) Christians behaved like an expectant church, eagerly anticipating the consummation of all things in their life time, one must ask why did not the apostles correct such a distorted vision?”
• Identifying Babylon in the New Testament, Part 1 – “His letters declare the imminent destruction of the city and temple of Jerusalem. Peter’s “Babylon” was none other than Jerusalem! “
• Identifying Babylon in the New Testament, Part 2 – “The hermeneutical key that will open up new perspectives and insights is the realization that the book of Revelation follows in the tradition of Christ, the prophets and the apostles by speaking out against `Jerusalem’ and covenant apostasy.”

Stephen Smith – Freethinker

• Two Witnesses of Revelation
• The Number of the Beast – “It is easy to use English and insist that it applies to a specific man as in “one man.” That is the prime calculation used by most interpreters when they decide how the number ought to be applied, from Nero to the papacy to the Beast computer supposedly residing in a Belgian office building at this moment. But the indefinite article “a” does not need to indicate “one” man, or group or thing. Therefore, John’s statement may be better understood as it being the number of man as opposed to the number of God.”
• Too Many Assumptions – “Recently, the Preterist Archive published a link to a paper that has been signed by many evangelical ministers, authors and teachers. The intent of the paper was to show the world that the various international crises are not the result of prophetic fulfillment, nor do they point to a worldwide conflagration that will precede “the Great and terrible Day of the Lord.”
• The Roman Epistle: A Preterist Commentary – “Just as God preserved 7000 men who had not bowed the knee to Baal, He had chosen those who were to receive honor in the New Creation. Paul is leading up to some major theological arguments in Romans 9 and is beginning to identify the characteristics of those who would be part of the Kingdom versus those who would be “outside the gates.”
• The Fulfillment of the New Covenant: Identifying Spiritual Israel – “When the New Covenant scriptures mention the ETHNOS (translation: gentile) I believe that they are not speaking about the general population of the world. There is sufficient correspondence to the Hellenists that I believe every case of ETHNOS (gentile) being used in place of HELLEN (Greek) is a synonym.”
• A Review of the A & E Special “The Road to Rapture” – “Whenever unbelievers go to press with “white papers” about Christian doctrine, they invariably place the subject matter in the category of myth and legend. Such was the approach by the producers of “The Road to Rapture”. Naturally, Hal Lindsey received some time to air his opinion that we’re now in the last generation to live on earth, just as he has been saying for the past thirty years.”
• The Hebrews Epistle: A Preterist Commentary – “..there were three religious groups that the Apostles were fighting against: Mithraism, the Greek/Roman pantheon and the Judaizers. John, Jude and Titus seem to be focusing on the cult of Mithra; while Peter and James concentrated on keeping the Jews on track; leaving Paul and Luke to go up against the gods of Greece. I’m sure many will find problems with that concept, but nothing is set in stone.”

Edward Stevens – Reformed

• Silence Demands a Rapture “A rapture easily explains why no Christian after AD 70 mentioned the occurrence of the parousia (they weren’t around to document it).  So when a non-rapture preterist asserts that the rapture preterist has a “documentation problem,” it leaves three fingers pointing back at him.  The non-rapture preterist has three other events to find documentation for (parousia, resurrection and judgment). “
• A Servant’s View “we are not theological liberals or theistic evolutionists! And, in regard to our similarity to the Reconstructionist position? I see nothing wrong with their desire to reconstruct our nation and world around a Biblical-Christian world view. I do not agree with their Post-mil futurist eschatology, but I do appreciate their very conservative and timely approach to malting our world a more Godly place for future generations to live in.”
• A Response to “The A.D.70 Doctrine” “I have heard many people assert that there is an “abundance’ of evidence to support the 96 AD date of Revelation. All of it I have seen is based on a poorly-translated statement by Irenaeus. This is the guy who said Christ lived until the age of fifty.”
• Regarding “Annihilationism” “Now I wish there was some hermeneutical or exegetical way to physicalize or spiritualize this text out of existence, but the stark reality of a real eternal torment in a spiritual place called the Lake of Fire is too clear in this text.  Hell exists forever and ever, and the wicked and demons who go there will consciously experience the torment day and night forever and ever.  Scary, isn’t it?  It should be.”
• Response to Ken Gentry’s Analysis of the Preterist View

Mike Sullivan – Sovereign Grace

• Refuting Kenneth Gentry’s 5 Reasons Why 2 Peter 3 is About the Destruction of the Planet “The “Last Days” were a period of time marking the end to that OC age and have nothing to do with the “newspaper prophecy experts” claims that WE are living in the “last days!”
• Refuting Kenneth Gentry’s 5 Reasons Why 2 Peter 3 is About the Destruction of the Planet “The “Last Days” were a period of time marking the end to that OC age and have nothing to do with the “newspaper prophecy experts” claims that WE are living in the “last days!”  We shall now turn to the facts that: 1) All of the signs Jesus gives the disciples were all fulfilled before A.D. 70 and would thus mark a genuine nearness to His return and kingdom and 2) Jesus coming on the clouds in judgment upon Jerusalem to put an end to her OC age is consistent with the OT teaching that – when God judged nations in the OT, He used de-creation language that was metaphoric, symbolic, and apocalyptic in nature and had nothing to do with the destruction of the planet.
• GOSPEL ESCHATOLOGY – A “BETTER RESURRECTION” — Jesus promised to return in the lifetime and generation of the inspired N.T. writers — in A.D. 70 He kept His promise!
• Interaction with David Chilton & Thoughts on Reformed Moderate Preterist Statements about Hyper-Preterism “Chilton pointed out that he no longer needed the Holy Spirit because he now had me (he had a great sense of humor). But amidst his very good use of sarcasm he avoided the Scriptures and told me that I was basically going to hell for being a preterist.. After David had recovered from his initial heart attack we went out to lunch with him and he apologized to me for calling me a heretic and that he was now a preterist.”
• What About ‘… a day with the Lord is as a thousand years…” – “The partial “Calvinist” and partial “preterist” at the end of the day are really Arminian and futurists who portray a Christ who failed to accomplish what He promised – redemption, when He promised! A Biblical preterist has the boldness and courage to say that when Peter said, “the end of all things is at hand” he meant “all things” and not “most things”.”

Akinori Taniguchi

• Preterism in Japan – “Some of my friends (some are pastors) became interested in Preterism and became preterists.  But last year after I declared that I was a full preterist, then my partial preterist friends accused me as heresy and broke our relationship. I had an e-mail group running with one of the leading Partial Preterist in Japan.  But because of my belief, I had to dismiss the group and many group members left me. There are only 2 Partial Preterist web sites in Japan and my site is the only Preterist site in Japan. “

Bruce Terry

• Luke 17: A.D.70 Or The Second Coming?
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Rinaldo Texidor

• Reforming Foundations; Global Transitioning of the Church through the Apostolic Reformation – “one author made a lot of money selling a book titled “88 Reasons Why Jesus Is Coming In 1988.” People saying such things make the Church a laughing stock and cause the truth to be discredited. However, the reasons why these opinions were so widely accepted is because of this wrong underlying thought system which has pervaded the Church.”

Daniel Thompson

• Romans 11:11-32 – A Commentary – 56 pp. Booklet by “we have no hint of such a blindness followed by an “apocalyptic” doctrine of national conversion in the whole of Paul’s argument to this point in Romans 11. Even Paul’s “how much more their (Jews) fullness” in verse 12 is stated to secure the truth that assuredly if Gentiles who turn in faith are saved through Jewish unbelief “how much more” sure is Jewish acceptance guaranteed if they turn in faith.”
• A Commentary – Romans 7:13-25 – “Romans chapter seven has been the subject of unending debate since St. Augustine saw a different man portrayed in Romans 7:14-25 than the previous three centuries. For three hundred years, the Christian expositors had seen this section of Scripture as depicting an unconverted man and his struggles with sin and the law – apart from the life of God.”

David M. Timm

• Olivet Discourse Comparison – “I’m a full preterist who put together a book to help me share my beliefs with my wife and other Christians. The information below is one of the many sections of that book (the rest of the discourse is in another section).”

Unkown

• The Whore of Revelation Identified

Virgil J. Vaduva – PlanetPreterist.com

• Ashtabula, OH: The End Has Already Come
• An Answer to Gromacki’s “Where is the Church in Revelation 4-19?” – Unmistakably, despite the traditional view, pain will still exist after the return of Jesus. The mission of the Church, to be the salt and light of the world, to be the healing tree for all nations, is slowly being abandoned because of the notion that the world will become more and more evil regardless of our actions. Let’s not make the same mistake that Israel made when expecting Jesus to return as a physical King to deliver them from a physical enemy, from cancer, and maybe mortgage payments. The spirituality of the problem (separation of man from God) mandates the nature of the solution (restoration of the Godman relationship). Spiritual problems demand spiritual solutions. The physical removal of the Church from planet earth, not only does nothing to resolve the spiritual problem of humanity, but denies the very reason for which the Church exists: the healing of the nations.”

Tracy D. VanWynGaarden

• Dualistic Eschatology: An Extensive Refutation of Partial Preterism “I find it interesting that Gentry criticizes Dispensationalism for their eschatological dualism saying, “In multiplying eschatological coming, resurrections, and judgments, premillennialism suffers from what Jay Adams calls eschatological ‘diplopia’ (Three Views on The Millennium and Beyond p. 243). How is this any different than Gentry’s eschatological dualism? His system multiplies the one end time, one second coming, one passing of heaven and earth, one new creation, one resurrection, one judgment and one hope. Doesn’t this qualify as “eschatological diplopia? Gentry’s views apparently have much in common with dispensationalism.”
• Problems with Premillennial Preterism
• Response to Marc Gibson’s “The AD 70 Doctrine Examined”

Jim Wade

• The Carpenter’s Apprentice – January 2003 – “What about those of us living post AD 70? We are not waiting for regeneration as those in “that generation” were. Our faith in Christ immediately identifies us with the ongoing new creation. Though we continue in the flesh and wrestle with all the practical implications of doing so, we are eternally alive and dwell spiritually in the presence of the Father in Christ.” Amen Jim!

Scott Wagner

• The Crowd May Be Wrong – “I believe it was J. Vernon McGee who made a statement such as “why polish the brass on a sinking ship.”  Well, the news is that the ship is not sinking and the brass is dirty.  Unfortunately, I believe dispensationalism has contributed greatly to the erosion of the American culture in the 1900s as so many Christians developed a fatalistic attitude towards any idea of influencing society.  “

Samuel E. Waldron

• The End Times Made Simple How Could Everybody Be So Wrong About Biblical Prophecy? – “Rapture? Pre-Trib? Post-Trib? Millennium? Confused? You should be! In today’s Evangelical Christian world, eschatology—or the study of the “Last Things”—has been turned into a sort of pseudo-science with a plethora of authors claiming to know exactly the scenario of events that are to take place just prior to the Lord Jesus Christ’s return. On one hand, believers are told they must follow the unbiblical, complex and bizarre scheme of Dispensationalism, with its “Secret Rapture,” political Anti-Christ and worldly Millennium. On the other, those in the “full preterist” camp tell them that all biblical prophecy has been fulfilled in the past and that they should not look for the sky to break open and Our Lord to descend in judgment and triumph. But the author of this work claims that both are wrong and that eschatology, despite what many will tell you, is really a rather simple and straight forward affair. His thesis is that there is This Age, and The Age to Come…we will be, or are, in either one or the other. Any “End Times” system that forms a hybrid of these two, or contradicts this simple formula, is unbiblical, and should be rejected! Piece by piece, Waldron strips away years of false teaching and faulty exegesis thrust upon the church to reveal what the Bible, in its own simple but profound way, says about what will happen at the end of this present age.  From Calvary Press Publishing…the truth is here! “
• Notes on Eschatology -” In the historical introduction to these lectures preterism was presented as a method of interpreting the Book of Revelation originating within Roman Catholicism. It was offered by them as an alternative to the historicist method and its identification of the Roman Papacy as the Beast. It contrasted with the system of interpretation known as futurism which was also presented by the Jesuits as an alternative to historicism. While futurism referred the events of the Revelation primarily to a future period of tribulation at the end of this age, preterism declared that with very few or no exceptions its prophecies were fulfilled by or before the destruction of Jerusalem in A. D. 70.”

Larry White

• New Heaven and New Earth – “So we see that the end of the age would be marked by the destruction of the temple, and that it would happen in their lifetime. We know from history that the Roman armies came against Jerusalem and razed it to the ground in AD 70. I believe that this middle time period of 40 years is the time of the war in heaven. (Rev.12) In fact, I believe that this period includes most of the book of Revelation, if not all of it, along with the prophesies that Jesus gave about this time in Mt.24, Mk.13 and Lk.21, concerning the destruction of Jerusalem.  Now Jerusalem was not just destroyed in AD 70, it was replaced and superceded or transcended by a New Jerusalem – a heavenly Jerusalem as opposed to an earthly, physical Jerusalem. We all know this heavenly Jerusalem to be the church from Heb.12:18-23.” (Originally delivered in Eagle Point, OR. August 12, 1984)

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WHERE PRETERISTS DIFFER

“Preterism is history” – Jay Gary

Of Caterpillars and Butterflies – Jay Gary (PMI) “Preterism is history. It must die..   It failed with Sproul to lead the church into a new day, because it could only lead from the past. It failed with the Evangelical Theological Society to influence academic scholars. Either it finds a way to cocoon itself and be transformed into a butterfly, or it will die crawling on the ground, just like it did a hundred years ago.”

Resurrection and Others..

The Preterist Rapture

On the Resurrection – Larry Siegle “The IBD view steps backwards and seeks to find a physical application to that which God intended to be spiritual in nature.” Preterist Views on the Resurrection – Kenneth Perkins “In being clothed with Christ, one becomes an heir of the promise and a descendant of Abraham. In fact, when people are united with Christ, they become “…members of His body” (Ephesians 5:30, NASB).” 1. AT SPIRITUAL BIRTH (CORPORATELY AND PERSONALLY FULFILLED PRESENTLY) – “Olam Habo Now” A Critical Response to the Kloskes’ Exegesis of I Corinthians 15 – Samuel Frost “The “transformation” happens to both the living and the dead at the same time. KK appear to agree with this as the quote above shows, but the “change” given to the “dead” is different from the “change” given to the living, who go on living and eventually die. At the moment of their death they are “changed” by being given a “spiritual body.” However, as the quote above shows, KK believe that they have already, “spiritually speaking” or “internally” been changed with an added dimension of not yet being changed, finally (thus, leaving them to the charge of futurism of some sort). “ The Resurrection of the Dead is Past ; Absent From the “Body” (An Analysis of II Cor. 5) The Timing of Regeneration\ Moses, House, Rest, and the Presence of God (Ward Fenley) II Corinthians 5:4; An Introduction to Preterism (Todd Dennis) The New Man By Elton Foster “the “Resurrection” and the “Spiritual body” cannot and should not be separated. The scriptures are clear, that the two co-inside with each other.” Face to Face By Elton Foster “If you believe that you have Christ living in you, then you have been made one with Him. The Marriage supper of the Lamb is come! Here is this present reality” 2. AT PHYSICAL DEATH (CORPORATELY FULFILLED / PERSONALLY UNFULFILLED) “Olam Habo Later” A Response to Mathison:  Audience Relevance (Daniel E. Harden) Resurrection Errors Effects of the Resurrection (Ed Stevens –  Response to Gentry) II Corinthians 5:4 (Arthur Melanson) A Better Resurrection – Michael Krall “So if he is yet to return at the end of the age of  everlasting covenant instead of the end of the old covenant then these  hopes are not fulfilled and we are not in possession of eternal life, do not have righteousness by faith nor do we have salvation. That is what we are left with if Christ has not returned and he is then  an absent king and the New Covenant is still a time of unfulfillment.” The Resurrection of the Flesh – Kurt M. Simmons “Since physical bodies are no part of the first resurrection, what basis is there to believe they will be part of the second resurrection of the soul in heaven? To the contrary, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.” (I Cor. 15:50)”   Millennium A Critical Response to Kurt Simmons’ Bi-Millennialism – “The question is, when were these given authority to judge? It must be when they came to life (both are aorist aspects). Thus, when they came to life, they were given thrones and authority to judge, being that they were ‘with Christ.’ This is closely akin to ‘being seated with Him in heavenly places.’ It is this that John is picturing here. When did any ‘come to life’ in Christ?” The Two Millenniums, Difficulties with the Thousand Years Assembly Roderick Edwards: Kingdom Living: Prescriptive or Descriptive? “Christ spoke so “metaphysically” of the Kingdom that it is mere pretension for us (or our detractors to demand from us) to explain exactly how the Kingdom should look and operate “ The Anti-Church Movement (Hyper-Preterism) – Jonathan M. Companik “It is every generation’s job within the Church to seek to hasten the coming of the Day of Christ.”   Foreign Language Materials DUTCH  Heeft Christus zich in de toekomst vergist? ESPANOL Preterismo Espanol: Somos Incorruptibles – “Demasiadas veces en discusiones acerca de términos como “corrupción” e “incorrupción” (1 Corintios 15:54), la noción tradicional de la Iglesia nos impulsa a pensar que se está hablando sobre algo que tiene que ver con el estado de la composición molecular de nuestra anatomía, lo cual nos lleva a pensar que la obra de Dios no ha sido completada, ya que nuestra anatomía continúa enfermándose, desgastándose, envejeciendo, etc..” Preterismo Espanol: ŋExiste una “Raza” Judía? – “La creencia en una identificación relacionada con la raza de la generación que vería el cumplimiento del Discurso de los Olivos es negada por el simple hecho de que no existe la posibilidad de que haya una raza que se identifique con aquel pasaje, aparte de una raza Judía. “ He Aqui Viene con las Nubes: What the phrase “coming on clouds” means Biblically Cuando Ocurriria la Segunda Venida de Cristo: An examination of time statements for the Second Coming. Refutacion a Articulo Anti-Preterista: A refutation of an anti-preterist article written by a pastor El Día del Seņor Estaba Cerca: A brief examination of 2 Thessalonians 2:2 La Diferencia entre Abolido y Obsoleto: The difference between “abolished” and “obsolete”, referring to the Old Covenant System Refutación Gran Comision: A refutation of the argument that the second coming has not occurred because the “great comission” hasn’t been fulfilled Examinación de Profecías Alegadamente Cumplidas: A closer look at a sample from a list of prophecies that has been going around, that supposedly “proves” that prophecies demand a “literal” (material) fulfillment Los Cielos y la Tierra: What “Heavens and Earth” means Refutación Tribulación Mas Grande: A refutation of the argument that the second coming has not ocurred because the great tribulation has not occurred yet. HUNGARIAN Bábel emlékei – eszkatológia és arám eredet kutatás

Dan Harden: Response to Walt Hibbard’s Support of Ian Harding’s Book – “..(O)ur spiritual condition is drastically different from those of the pre-Parousial saints, based solely on the fact that our High Priest returned and brought back with Him our completed atonement.  Christ has made us whiter than snow, blameless before the Lord, despite our shortcomings.  What was a promise / deposit for the pre-Parousial saints is a reality for us today — even while living on Earth.  Our going to Heaven when we die is BECAUSE of these fulfilled promises.  We don’t look forward to them being fulfilled in fullness when we die, or else we would never be qualified to make it on our own, for we are unable to do so on our own.  Indeed, if we didn’t have glory in fullness already, we couldn’t go to Heaven at all, for God cannot abide anything less than perfection.  But our entrance into Heaven is assured because we already have Eternal Life in fullness NOW!” Sam Frost: An Analysis and Critique of Taken to Heaven in A.D. 70:  Blessings Expected at the Parousia “One begins to see that Harding’s definitions of what we do not have yet is rooted in an empirical bias.  That is, we can’t “see” it, so it cannot be so.  We still suffer, we still die, we still groan and we still are subject to error when it comes to seeing God.  In fact, Harding has reduced theology while on earth to “vague spiritual and mental conceptions” (322).  That is, “There is in the present, the perception an acknowledgment of true and good things – the things of God, and the person of Christ, etc., but the perception is unclear, obscure, puzzling” (321).  In heaven we will see God “face to face” but on earth our knowledge is “very imperfect” (321) of God. “ Nathan DuBois: My Response to Ed Stevens’ Book “Expectations Demand a Rapture” “I promised Ed Stevens my critique on his book and I will do my utmost to be thorough and precise in everything he has written and everything I espouse. I will respond in the order that Ed has presented the arguments in this book, from preface to conclusion. I, from the beginning, admit this is an area where I have a strong stance against a physical rapture. As I have stated to many of my friends in correspondence and debate, a proper understanding of exactly what the first century Christians did expect is important in our understanding of the whole gospel and it’s place in our lives toady. This is an important issue, not to salvation, but to the knowledge of our Lord God and His plan for mankind in this world, which human kind will inhabit forever.” | The Problem of Silence Not a Problem Michael Bennett: Silence Demands a Spiritual Rapture – “If there has to be a physical rapture to be face to face then we are not in the New Covenant and the curse is not removed (Rev. 22:3-4).” Michael Bennett: Past Physical Rapture? – “If you are a Preterist that is promoting a “past physical rapture” then I would ask that you reconsider your position unless you are willing to say that you have not been “raptured” into the New Covenant yet. Either that or you must explain why there was a “physical rapture” into the New Covenant for some some saints but only a “spiritual rapture” into the New Covenant for others.” Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks: Response to ‘Silence Demands a Rapture’ – “the Thessalonians, who could not conceive of the nature of the harpazo at Christ’s Parousia in the least (and we don’t do a very good job of it either), would begin to grasp that the meeting with the Lord was to be a personal meeting “within” the believer.”