Modern Preterism

Modern Preterism

Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past

(Not Full/Hyper Preterism ; Within Bounds of Historical Christianity)

MODERN PRETERISM (MP) – A) Umbrella term covering all those who believe that the majority of Bible prophecy was totally fulfilled in the early centuries of the Christian era.  Determined by looking at where authors find a “transition” from the past to the future using the Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24/25 and the Apocalypse of John.   Differs from Full Preterism in that it does not make the Parousia, the General Judgment, nor the General Resurrection events solely of the past.   B) According to known literature, this class emerged during the Reformation or Counter Reformation and can be seen in a fully developed form at the beginning of the 17th century in the writings of the Jesuit Alcasar — although many believe that the “Preterist Assumption” seen throughout church history reveals the ancient and medieval equivalents of the Modern Preterist view. (perhaps systematized the most consistenty in 310 by Eusebius in “Theophany“).   C) Teaches that the bulk of “end times” prophecy  has sole application to ancient Israel, but that some regards the “last day” — sometimes that “end” being personal, not global, in nature.  Transitions somewhere in Matthew 25, or near the end of the Apocalypse of John.

“It has been usual to say that the Spanish Jesuit Alcasar, in his Vestigatio Arcani Sensus in Apocalypsi (1614)was the founder of the Pręterist School.. But to me it seems that the founder of the Pręterist School is none other than St. John himself.” (The Praeterist Interpretation, in The Early Days of Christianity – F.W. Farrar, Chaplain to Queen Victoria, 1871-1876)

Benjamin Marshall
A Chronological Treatise on Daniel’s Seventy Weeks
(1725)

Wherein is evidently shewn the Accomplishment of the Predicted Events, As Especially Of the Cutting Off of the Messiah after the Predicted VII Weeks and LXII Weeks, according to the Express Letter of the Prophecy, and in most exact Agreement with Ptolemy’s Canon ; So Also Of the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, in the LXXth, or separate One Week, in the Litteral, Obvious, and Primary Sense (Packed within an overall “orthodox” eschatology)

The Days of Vengeance:
An Exposition of the Book of Revelation

By David Chilton

Firmin Abauzit

  • 1730: An Historical Discourse on the Apocalypse “Abauzit left behind him some writings, chiefly theological. Of these the principal was, an “Essay upon the Apocalypse,” written to show that the canonical authority of the book of Revelation was doubtful, and to apply the predictions to the destruction of Jerusalem. This work was sent by the author to Dr. Twells, in London, who translated it from French into English, and added a refutation, – with which Abauzit was so well satisfied, that he desired his friend in Holland to stop an intended impression.” (Lange)

Luis Alcazar
Jesuit Priest

Elder Bob Algood
Old Line Primitive Baptist

  • 1999: Mystery Babylon, Mother of Harlots “Most of Revelation has already been fulfilled IN Christ or IN time. I do not know of any unfulfilled events, other than the return of Christ for his saints, and the final judgment of the wicked. At that time those whose names were written in the Lamb’s book of life before the foundation of the world will be ushered into glory, and the wicked will be judged and cast into the lake of fire, along with the Devil, the beast and the false prophet.”

Dr. Greg Bahnsen
Reconstructionist

Allen Baily

Doug Beaumont

Dr. Kelly Nelson Birks
Reformed Preterist

Mike F. Blume

  • 2009: The Demonic Possession of an Entire Generation

  • 2005: The Weak Cross of Full Preterism “Scripture that teaches the meek shall inherit the earth will never be fulfilled, since there will be both sinners and saints forever on the earth.  Sinners will never be removed.  Also, we are told God’s will must be done in earth as it is in heaven.  There is no sin in heaven.  This cannot be fulfilled in earth if full preterism is correct.  Full preterism must conclude that sin will always exist.  “

  • 2001: What Do Preterists Believe About “The Prince” in the 70 Weeks of Daniel? “This is undoubtedly referring to 70 AD. When the Christians saw Jerusalem encompassed with armies, they indeed did flee the city and went to Pella. Rome devastated the city for 3.5 years. And Jesus said that event would end the times of the gentiles. Jerusalem would be no more the home of the temple and the ritual sacrifice of Law. Thank God that there was a remnant of Israel who represented the whole, thus fulfilling prophecy that all Israel shall be saved!”

  • 2001: Jerusalem Missed the Blessing “The words of Matthew 25 concern the siege of Jerusalem as do the words of Matthew 24 — both chapters deal with the same discussion on the Mount of Olives.  What about the separation of the cursed goats from the blessed sheep?  How does this picture fit into the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD?  This study explains the connection.”

  • 2000: What are the Implications on Timing?

Jason Bradfield

  • 2011: My Testimony “I embraced “full preterism” out of frustration and impatience.”

  • 2010: An Apology to the Public Regarding Preterism “The online Preterist community is an embarrassment on many levels. And by “preterism”, I am referring to full preterism.. i am preaching against myself as well. I have been guilty of some of  these things. Hence, one of the reasons i wanted to take a break and  reassess things.”

  • 2010: Semper Reformanda Full Preterism  “I believe leaving the community and being inactive elsewhere (not entirely, but to a large degree) helped position me now into the role of an ‘outsider’ in regards to full preterism. Technically, I wasn’t an outsider. Practically, I was. Instead of having my head buried in the sand and getting immersed with all the in-house scuffles, I was now able to step back and look at the bigger picture…and I didn’t like what I saw. I blogged about this, an apology which has now been featured at the infamous PreteristArchive, a site run by another former full preterist, Todd Dennis.”  “The rub is ~ given full preterist presuppositions, i want to know how you GOT from point A to point B. Systematically, logically, exegetically. Full preterism has NOT, i repeat, NOT done this! If any full preterist contests that they have, then all they have to do is simply provide the link here to either the work online or to a book they have published. It doesn’t exist.” // “And since no full preterist has done it ~ then why in the world would any full preterist get upset with me for stepping back and saying, “dang. I don’t know about this full pret stuff anymore”? Why in the world would anyone get upset with me for wanting to exercise more CAUTION and to stop being dogmatic about a viewpoint that basically hasn’t answered much of squat?”

    • HyP Response: “Jason is like the ancient Jews who tied a rope around the High Priest so they can pull him out if need be in that Jason appears to be pulling on that rope as strongly as he can with Sam but Sam is clawing by the fingernails to hang onto what he has invested 20 years into.” // “Now it’s obvious that Sam is trying to hang onto what full Preterist legacy that he can but I’m afraid he has damaged his “theological goods” to the extent that many full Preterist will not trust his work anymore and give him the benefit of the doubt.”

David Chilton
NOT A FULL PRETERIST

Adam Clarke

  • Thessalonians “Besides all these, there is a day or coming of the Lord to judge the world, and to put an end to the present state of things. This coming, Christ himself has promised. Matt. xvi. 27. ‘The Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his holy angels ; and then shall he reward every man according to his work.’ Now, this being a real, personal appearing of Christ in the body, is more properly, than any other of His comings, called the day, and coming of Christ. And the purposes of it being more important than those of His other comings, the exertions of His power for accomplishing them will be most signal and glorious. Hence this coming is, with great propriety, termed, ‘ the revelation of Jesus Christ,’ and ‘ the day’ of His revelation,’ when he shall be glorified in his saints, and admired of all them who believe.’

Henry Cowles

  • 1869: The Premillennial Advent of Christ “This phrase, taken to mean that the second personal advent of Christ is premillennial, represents a system of opinions respecting yet unfulfilled prophecy, and also respecting the nature and design of the present Christian dispensation, which is widely at variance with the views presented in this and the preceding volumes on the Old Testament prophets. The somewhat extensive prevalence of these opinions and the enterprise with which they are advocated seem to demand for them a special discussion.”

R.W. Dale

  • 1871: The Jewish Temple and the Christian Church – A Series of Discourses on the Epistle to the Hebrews (PDF) “The end of all things is at hand.” “His voice then shook the earth, but now hath He promised, saying, yet once more I shake not the earth only but also heaven.” In His last revelation to mankind, God’s purposes are reaching their perfect accomplishment. Empires which had overshadowed the whole earth had decayed and perished. The institutions and laws which God Himself had originally established, the temple He had consecrated, the priests He had anointed, were now ready to vanish away.”

  • 1887: The Past Second Advent: The Coming of Christ (PDF) “The Unseen King of men is near, and nearer than we know ; and if we listen to the voice of those that call us to His feet, the vision of Christ when it suddenly comes at a moment we look not for it. — Christ, King, and Judge, sitting on the clouds of heaven with power and with great glory — will occasion no mourning to us. It will be the fulfilment of all our most passionate hopes and the beginning of our eternal blessedness. What lies beyond we cannot tell. There are intimations in Holy Scripture elsewhere that the presence and glory of Christ in the invisible and eternal world, where He has ascended His throne as King and Judge of all, will, at last, after He has gathered through age after age His elect to Himself, break through even into the material order, and the last generation of mankind will suddenly pass into His presence.”

Samuel G. Dawson

  • 2002: The Destruction of Jerusalem vs. Final Judgment “Matthew 24-25 is one of the most difficult, perplexing, abused, and misapplied passages in the Bible. It suffers the most speculative interpretations and many false doctrines about a final return of Christ rest upon it. For example, the Worldwide Church of God and Jehovah’s Witnesses use Matthew 24-25 to substantiate their teachings. Misuse of it is also the basis for Hal Lindsay’s popular Late Great Planet Earth.”

  • 1997: II Peter 3: Destruction of the Universe or Jerusalem? “A verse-by-verse study of II Peter 3 shows how our ignorance of the Old Testament often causes us to jump to false conclusions about this important chapter. While many people believe this chapter deals with the destruction of the universe, the author proves that it prophesies about the destruction of Jerusalem.”

Modern Preterism

Study Archive

MODERN PRETERISTS
(Major Fulfillment of Matt. 24/25 or Revelation in Past)

Firmin Abauzit
Jay Adams
Luis Alcazar
Greg Bahnsen
Beausobre, L’Enfant
Jacques Bousset
John L. Bray
David Brewster
Dr. John Brown
Thomas Brown
Newcombe Cappe
David Chilton
Adam Clarke

Henry Cowles
Ephraim Currier
R.W. Dale
Gary DeMar
P.S. Desprez
Johann Eichhorn
Heneage Elsley
F.W. Farrar
Samuel Frost
Kenneth Gentry
Steve Gregg
Hugo Grotius
Francis X. Gumerlock
Henry Hammond
Hampden-Cook
Friedrich Hartwig
Adolph Hausrath
Thomas Hayne
J.G. Herder
Timothy Kenrick
J. Marcellus Kik
Samuel Lee
Peter Leithart
John Lightfoot
Benjamin Marshall
F.D. Maurice
Marion Morris
Ovid Need, Jr
Wm. Newcombe
N.A. Nisbett
Gary North
Randall Otto
Zachary Pearce
Andrew Perriman
Beilby Porteus
Ernst Renan
Gregory Sharpe
Fr. Spadafora
R.C. Sproul
Moses Stuart
Milton S. Terry
Herbert Thorndike
C. Vanderwaal
Foy Wallace
Israel P. Warren
Chas Wellbeloved
J.J. Wetstein
Richard Weymouth
Daniel Whitby
George Wilkins
E.P. Woodward

Commentary on New Testament from Talmud and Hebraica
(1658)

Gary DeMar
President, American Vision

  • 2011: Is Jesus Going to Reign on Earth? “There are lots of things that people believe the Bible teaches that just aren’t there. I have developed a Bible test that makes this point. Here’s one of them: Did Noah’s ark land on Mt. Ararat? The answer is no. The ark came to rest on the mountains (plural) of Ararat (Gen. 8:4). “

  • 2011: Defending Dispensationalism at All Costs “Dave Hunt continues to ask questions about a preterist interpretation of Scripture. They’re true by definition because they support dispensationalism. Mr. Hunt knows that he no longer has to defend his position because there is a willing audience that will believe any listing of them”

  • 2011: Are there one people of God or two?

  • 2010: Gary DeMar on Horton – An Incomplete Systematic Theology “Horton is a full professor at a top-flight seminary. He’s just published a comprehensive 1000-page systematic theology. His section on eschatology runs nearly 90 pages and is mostly definitional. There is a section on Matthew 24 where he argues that a first-century, pre-A.D. 70 fulfillment”

  • 2009: Is Gary DeMar Secretly a Friend to Hyperpreterists? “The tendency of full preterists is to fit everything into an A.D. 70 matrix. They do this with 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18, 1 Corinthians 15, and Revelation 20. A similar approach is followed with a number of Old Testament prophecies (e.g., Ezek 38–39 and Zech 12). I am willing to listen to their arguments since preterism in its present form is only now coming to its own as we shake off the dust of dispensationalism that has so distorted our interpretation of prophecy.”

  • 2009: Charisma Magazine Debunking ‘Last Days Fever’ “Peter Wagner, president of Global Harvest Ministries, is an adherent of partial preterism, believing most end-times prophecies were fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.” Wagner is the author of Dominion! How Kingdom Action Can Change the World published by Chosen Book in 2008. There are better representatives for the partial preterist position than Wagner, but at least it’s a start.”

  • 2007: Norman Geisler, “You,” & “Zechariah the Son of Berechiah” “Geisler’s argument on the second person plural does not stand up to exegetical scrutiny. By not dealing with the above arguments, he shows that he is not a trustworthy critic of the preterist interpretation of prophecy.”

  • 2007: Norman Geisler and “This Generation”

  • 2004: Tommy Ice and Dispensationalism under the Microscope — Again “The difference is, preterism is right and dispensationalism is wrong, and because it’s wrong, it’s dangerous to Jews and the rest of us and those people who are reading the Left Behind series as if the prophetic content is actually taught in the Bible. As I’ve demonstrated in End Times Fiction, it’s not.”

  • 2003: Thomas Ice and the Time Texts “By never raising the issue of how the second person plural (“you”) is used throughout Matthew 10, he is counting on his loyal readers not to notice. And who would think to go to Mark’s account of the Transfiguration to see that the “disciples” is a larger group than Peter, James, and John? Of course, we all know the answer to this question: Preterists would.”

  • 2003: The People of God, the Land of Israel, and the Impartiality of the Gospel – Among Signatories: R. C. Sproul, Ph.D., President, Ligonier Ministries, Orlando, FL | Gary DeMar, M.Div., American Vision, Powder Springs, GA  “At the heart of the political commitments in question are two fatally flawed propositions. First, some are teaching that God’s alleged favor toward Israel today is based upon ethnic descent rather than upon the grace of Christ alone, as proclaimed in the Gospel. Second, others are teaching that the Bible’s promises concerning the land are fulfilled in a special political region or “Holy Land,” perpetually set apart by God for one ethnic group alone. “

  • 2003: The Gospel Preached to All the World

  • 2003: “Shreds of Preterism” Among First-Century Writers

  • 2003: Bible Minimalism and “The History of Preterism” (Parts One and Two) “Ice and LaHaye get off on the wrong foot in their analysis of preterism. The historical argument is a death blow, or to use Mark Hitchcock’s metaphor from his chapter on the dating of Revelation, “A Stake in the Heart” to their brand of futurism. The earliest historical sources, the Didache, the testimony of James, the brother of Jesus, and 1 Clement demonstrate that preterism’s history is a first-century history.” “The publication of The End Times Controversy is a great opportunity for preterists to get out their message since the authors quote extensively from preterist works. More astute Christians will follow the trail of end notes and books listed in the bibliography and read them. The brighter bulbs in the box will find preterist arguments convincing and reject the dispensationalism of their youth. Many will be surprised that over the centuries so many sound and trusted Bible expositors have been preterists.”

  • 2002: Will the Real Anti-Prophets Please Stand Up? ” If modern-day preterists are “anti-prophets,” then we are in good historical company. A survey of the most widely read and respected commentaries over the past four-and-a-half centuries will show that preterism, not the strained futurism of dispensational premillennialism, was the predominate prophetic system held by Bible believing Christians. “

  • 2002: Time’s Puff Piece: The Devil is in the Details

  • 2002: Dispensationalism : Being “Left Behind” “I opened this article with a “Best-Seller List” where three of the five non-fiction books on the list are preterist. How can these two authors ignore the subject of Preterism when the publisher claims that the authors “will clarify, magnify, and maybe even rectify your thoughts on a critical theme of God’s written word: prophecy”? Zondervan, Kregel, and Baker have published high-profile books that deal with preterism. Three are in a debate-style format. LaHaye and Jenkin’s failure to deal with Preterism makes this book a work of fiction. It would be like writing a history of the cola wars while leaving out either Coke or Pepsi.”

  • 2001: Zechariah 14 and the Coming of Christ “describes events leading up to and including the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. God will act as Judge of Jerusalem and its inhabitants. As the king, He will send “his armies” and destroy “those murderers, and set their city on fire” (Matt. 22:7).”

  • 1999: Defending the Indefensible “The Second Coming does not compare favorably with The Gospel According to Jesus. Detailed analysis and comparative study are exchanged for superficial and misleading rhetoric. MacArthur scrupulously avoids the heart of the debate over the time texts.”

  • 1997: The Passing Away Heaven and Earth “The parables of Matthew 24­25 are clear on the duration of the delays — the two masters who go on a journey return to the same people they left. There is no need to allegorize these parables to force them to depict a distant coming of Christ.”

  • 1993: No Fear of the Text “Tim LaHaye has written another book on prophecy. No Fear of the Storm[1] was written because LaHaye recognizes that dispensational premillennialism is in trouble. “

Jack Van Deventer

  • 1996: A Case For Preterism “The advantage of Preterism is that it ‘saves the phenomena’ of the New Testament time-frame references; it interprets biblical prophecy according to the images used in Scripture itself.”

  • 1996: Israel and the Church

Nathan DuBois

Gene Fadeley

F.W. Farrar

  • 1899: Christ Wails Over Jerusalem “This incident is an allegory. The soul of each one amongst us is such a Jerusalem. The soul has its history of shame or of faithfulness, and its prophecy of triumph or of doom, just as Jerusalem had. Jerusalem had warnings..  Jerusalem found that it was so, and so shall all men who persist in defying the mercy of God which calleth us to repentance.”

  • 1886: The History of Interpretation

  • 1883: Epistle to the Hebrews “Quando ? The date at which the Epistle was written cannot be fixed with precision. All that we can say is that it was certainly written before the Fall of Jerusalem, A.D. 70. This conclusion is not mainly founded on the use of the present tense in speaking of the Temple services (ix. 6, 7; x. 1, &c), because this might conceivably be due to the same figure of speech which accounts for the use of the present tense in speaking of the Jewish ministrations in Josephus, Clemens Romanus, Justin Martyr, and even in the Talmud. It is founded on the whole scope of the argument. No one who was capable of writing the Epistle to the Hebrews at all (there being no question of pseudonymity in this instance) could possibly have foregone all mention of the tremendous corroboration—nay, the absolutely demonstrative force—which had been added to his arguments by the work of God in History. The destruction of Jerusalem came as a divine comment on all the truths which are here set forth. While it in no way derogates from the permanent value of the Epistle as a possession for all time, it would have rendered superfluous its immediate aim and object. The seductions of Judaism, the temptation to apostatise to the Mosaic system, were done away with by that awful Advent which for ever closed the era of the Old Dispensation. We therefore infer that the Epistle was written when Timothy was (apparently) liberated from prison, soon after the martyrdom of St Paul, about the close of A.D. 67 or the beginning of A.D. 68.”

  • 1882: THE PRĘTERIST INTERPRETATION  “It has been usual to say that the Spanish Jesuit Alcasar.. was the founder of the Pręterist School.. But to me it seems that the founder of the Pręterist School is none other than St. John himself.”

  • 1882: The Apocalypse and its Date “The Apocalypse was written before (John) had witnessed the Coming of Christ and the close of the Old Dispensation, in the mighty catastrophe which, by the voice of God in history, abrogated all but the moral precepts which had been uttered by the voice of God on Sinai”

  • 1882: The Fall of Jerusalem “It was to this event, the most awful in history that we must apply those prophecies of Christ’s coming in which every one of the Apostles and Evangelists describe it as near at hand.   To those prophecies our Lord Himself fixed these three most definite limitations — the one, that before that generation passed away all these things would be fulfilled; another that some standing there should not taste death till they saw the Son of Man coming in His kingdom; the third, that the Apostles should not have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.  It is strange that these distinct limitations should not be regarded as a decisive proof that the Fall of Jerusalem was, in the fullest sense, the Second Advent of the Son of Man, which was primarily contemplated by the earliest voices of prophecy.”

  • 1882: The Early Days of Christianity

  • 1874: Life of Christ Index “Behold, your house is left unto you desolate!” And has not that denunciation been fearfully fulfilled? Who does not catch an echo of it in the language of Tacitus—”Expassac repente delubri fores, et audita major humana vox excedere Deos.” Speaking of the murder of the younger Hanan, and other eminent nobles and hierarchs, Josephus says, “I cannot but think that it was because God had doomed this city to destruction as a polluted city, and was resolved to purge His sanctuary by fire, that He cut off these their great defenders and well-wishers”

David P. Field

Jim Fowler

  • 2001: Jesus – The Better Everything – An Introductory Commentary of the Epistle to the Hebrews “The Old Testament scriptures were lodged in Paul’s memory, and he quotes from them again to explain the “need for endurance” (36). “FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE, THE ONE COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY.” Quoting from the Greek Old Testament, the Septuagint (LXX), as he does throughout this epistle, Paul allows the words of Habakkuk 2:3 to speak to the situation of the Jerusalem Christians. The delayed consummation of Christ’s victory to be revealed in the second advent created an “enigma of the interim” for the early Christians, but Paul uses Habakkuk’s words as his words to indicate that “the Coming One,” Jesus, will come “in a very little while,” very soon, i.e. imminently. This may refer to the “second coming of the parousia, as in Revelation 2:25, “Hold fast until I come.” More likely, Paul is referring to the imminent coming of Christ in judgment, when (perhaps within a year after the receipt of this letter) the Romans came against the residents of Palestine from 66-70 AD, destroying everything and decimating the population. This is the same “coming of the Son of Man” (Matt. 24:27,30,37,42) that Jesus referred to in His Mount of Olives discourse (Matt. 24:3-45). Paul is warning the Hebrew Christians again that judgment is coming, and everything in the old covenant will “disappear” (8:13).”

Sam Frost

  • 2014: Departure from Full Preterist Heresy Archive

  • 2013: The Day of the Lord and Romans 13:11-14

  • 2011: David Chilton on “Full” Preterism | Part 2

  • 2010: Full Preterism and the Problem of Infinity “I have been shamelessly accused of almost everything one can think of for breaking ranks on this issue. I follow no ranks. I am not one to insist that “no one can leave the compound!” I go where my studies and my conscience before God leads me, period. I don’t “tow the line” for anyone, any party, or any movement.”

  • 2009: Frost’s “Biblical Preterism”

  • 2009: Frost on Isaiah 65 and “infinity”

  • 2003: Universalism and Preterism: Bedfellows or Bedlam?

  • 2010: Towards a Fuller Preterism “This.. is the real deal of what FP teaches: the earth will never, ever, never, ever never never know peace…….WAR IS THE NORM on earth for INFINITY. Folks….this is now unmasked….. “

    • HyP Review: “What the true proverb says has happened … “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”) Response to Green on Towards a Fuller Preterism (11/3/10) – “Green here asserts that “in accordance with BIBLE PROPHECY” we are still “growing”.  So, let’s think logically here.  If BIBLE PROPHECY is still BEING fulfilled (still growing as the PROPHETS said) beyond A.D. 70, then…..well, you can do the math. But, in case you missed that, Green says it again: the Bible “describes” the age to come.  Now, this was the whole point of my paper, was it not.  But, if this is true, then the Bible speaks “beyond” A.D. 70.  And, if it so speaks (prophesies), then what exactly is the problem, Dave?  You have made my point: Bible Prophecy was not “all” fulfilled in A.D. 70!  Q.E.D.  If it “describes” (read, prophesies), then, clearly, all prophecy is not yet fulfilled.  This underscores my point: ongoing FULFILLMENT.  Ask a Covenant Creationist if prophecy is, in any way, shape, or form, “being fulfilled” today.  It is THIS TYPE of FP that I am attacking.  It’s not a straw man.”  Green: “Sam believes that the Second Coming and Resurrection of the Dead will be consummated in our future.  Does he not?  If so, then it follows that he is not a full preterist. “

    • HyP Review: Mike Sullivan, David Green, Ed Hassertt: Sam Frost’s Departure from Full Preterism into the Partial Preterist / Preterist Idealist World of Talbot (9/10/2010 – Link Removed) “In Sam’s end of the world article he claimed that Full Preterist’s understand the long ages of Isaiah 65 as teaching “spiritual abundance.” I followed this up with asking Sam if this meant that he changed his interpretation of the passage (to the FP one), or if he was being misleading in that he was still holding onto a PP Postmillennial (PPP) hermeneutic (it is spiritual [“spiritual abundance”] AND literal – the long ages will be seen as the passage is “fully manifested/fulfilled” over time).  Again, Sam dodged the question. How scholarly, respectful, and loving.” Sam Frost Response: “no Preterist has been able to say to me that ‘nothing changes’ when we physically die. In other words, it is correct to say ‘I am glorified’ today in the Body of Christ, as He is Glorified. However, is this glorification FULLY MANIFEST or APPARENT today? Now, ask yourself: will it be in heaven when I physically die? Will anything change? Will I still be the same, old bumbling Sam Frost that I am here on earth? Will I still be subject to occasional sin? Error? If not, why not? Do I get ‘something else’ in Heaven? It is not so much that we ‘get’ something else, but that that which WE HAVE (II Cor. 5.1-2) will be ENTIRELY in FULL OPERATION – FULL ON POWER. If this, then, is so, then one must concede the argument of ‘fullfillment already – manifestation not yet’ (my argument in a nutshell)”

Dr. Kenneth L. Gentry

  • 2003: The Book of Revelation and Eschatology “I believe that Revelation was written in about A.D. 65. I further believe that it speaks to the original Christian audience regarding difficulties they were facing and in explanation of the coming final removal of Jerusalem by God’s wrath. “

  • 2003: Christ’s Resurrection and Ours “Unfortunately, a new gnosticism is infecting the church: hyper-preterism. One major feature of hyper-preterism is its denial of a future physical resurrection of the believer at the end of history. As we shall see, this contradicts a major result of the resurrection of Christ.”

  • 2001: As lightning comes from the East

  • 2001: Recent Developments in the Eschatological Debate “A cult-like enthusiasm fuels this unorthodox movement, which teaches that the total complex of end time events transpired in the first-century: the Second Advent, the resurrection, the rapture of the saints, and the great judgment. It is to preterism what hyper-Calvinism is to historic Calvinism: a theological pushing beyond Biblical constraints. This view is not supported by any creed or any council of the church in history.”

  • 2001: Of Preterists and Postmillennialists

  • 2000: Back to the Future – The Preterist Perspective “One of the best known and most accessible of the ancient preterists is Eusebius (A.D. 260-340), the “father of church history.” In his classic Ecclesiastical History he details Jerusalem’s woes in A.D. 70. After a lengthy citation from Josephus’s Wars of the Jews, Eusebius writes that “it is fitting to add to his accounts the true prediction of our Saviour in which he foretold these very events” (3:7:1-2.)”

  • 2000: On the “transitional verses” in Matthew 24

  • 1999: Apocalypse Then “To insist that the events described therein are yet to happen sometime in the future is to do violence to the plain meaning of the phrases “shortly take place,” and “the time is near.”

  • 1998: The Beast of Revelation Identified “Nero and Nero alone fits the bill as the specific or personal expression of the Beast.”

  • 1995: Brief Theological Analysis of Hyper-Preterism

  • 1989: The Spiritual Nature of the Kingdom “it was just that sort of kingdom (natural) that the first-century Jews wanted and that Christ refused: “When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone” (John 6:15).”

Hugo Grotius
First Protestant to Adopt Preterism

Henry Hammond  (1605-1660)
First Generation Modern Preterist

Paraphrase and Annotations Upon all the Books of the New Testament
(1653)

“This was the first commentary of any length to be published in the English language,” E. Earl Ellis

A Premonition on the Interpretation of the Apocalypse

“Having gone through all the other parts of the New Testament, I came to this last of the Apocalypse, as to a rock that many had miscarried and split upon, with a full resolution not to venture on the expounding of one word in it, but onely to perform one office to it, common to the rest, the review of the Translation:   But it pleased God otherwise to dispose of it ; for before I had read (with the design of translating only) to the end of the first verse of the book, these words, which must come to pass presently, had such an impression on my mind, offering themselves as a key to the whole prophecie, (in like manner as, this generation shall not passe till all these things be fulfilledMatt. 24.34. have demonstrated infallibly to what coming of Christ the whole Chapter did belong) that I could not resist the force of them, but attempted presently a general survey of the whole Book, to see whether those words might not probably be extended to all the prophecies of it, and have a literal truth in them, viz., that the things foretold and represented in the ensuing vision ; were presently, speedily, to come to passe, one after another, after the writing of them.”

Johann Gottfried von Herder

  • 1799: Mara-natha, das Buch von der Zukunft des Herrn, des Neuen Testaments Siegel [Maran-atha; the Book of the Coming of the Lord: the Seal of the New Testament.] (German PDF) “The historical perspective of this book is, like that of Abauzit, barren and contracted in the extreme: it consists of Jerusalem and the Jewish war. The formal treatment of the Apocalyptic theme, on the contrary, is enthusiastic, full of idealization, and appreciation of the figurative language of the Orient (see Lucke’s commendation). Herder called the Apocalypse : “A picture-book, setting forth the rise, the visible existence, and the future of Christ’s Kingdom in figures and similitudes of His first Coming, to terrify and to console.”  (Lange)

Wayne Jackson

James B. Jordan

  1. Marcellus Kik

  • 1971: Appearance of the Sign “The sign of the reigning Christ was seen in the destruction of Jerusalem. The contemporary generation, indicated in verse 34, witnessed fulfillment of these things as Christ had prophesied.”

Greg Kiser

Dr. Samuel Lee 
Regius Professor of Hebrew at Cambridge
Earliest Known Modern Preterist Author

The Events and Times of the Visions of Daniel and St. John

(1851)

“The Fall of Pagan Rome Was Likewise Contemplated by Bible Prophecy”

Letters of Charles Darwin: “On Saturday evening dined at one of the Colleges, played at bowls on the College Green after dinner, and was deafened with nightingales singing. Sunday, dined in Trinity; capital dinner, and was very glad to sit by Professor Lee ; I find him a very pleasant chatting man, and in high spirits like a boy, at having lately returned from a living or a curacy, for seven years in Somersetshire, to civilised society and oriental manuscripts. He had exchanged his living to one within fourteen miles of Cambridge, and seemed perfectly happy.” May 16, 1832

College Green, Bristol 1836

John Lightfoot
Partially Responsible for Westminster Confession

Benjamin Marshall

  • 1725: A Chronological Treatise upon the Seventy Weeks of Daniel Wherein is evidently shewn the Accomplishment of the Predicted Events, As Especially Of the Cutting Off of the Messiah after the Predicted VII Weeks and LXII Weeks, according to the Express Letter of the Prophecy, and in most exact Agreement with Ptolemy’s Canon ; So Also Of the Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans, in the LXXth, or separate One Week, in the Litteral, Obvious, and Primary Sense”


William Mason

  • 1811: An Examination of the Prophecy Contained in the 24th Chapter of St. Matthew’s Gospel (PDF) The design in these sheets is to prove, that the Prophecy of our Saviour refers entirely and exclusively to the destruction of Jerusalem, and not to the end of the World : which, if proved, refutes the grand objection of Infidelity, founded on these words at the conclusion of this Prophecy, “Verily, verily, this generation shall not pass away before all these things be fulfilled.”

Duncan McKenzie

Ovid Need, Jr.
Unregistered, Independent Baptist

  • 2013: January Edition of The Examiner

  • 2013: August Edition of The Examiner

  • 2013: December Edition of The Examiner

  • 2000: Matthew 24 – Ovid Need, Jr. – “When I realized that an honest examination of Matthew 24 did not confirm Scofield’s vision, I had to face facts and change some beliefs. The context of Matthew 24 clearly tells us that Matthew 24 was basically fulfilled in 70 AD. The problem I then had to confront was that if Matthew 24 is basically fulfilled, then many of the theories built on Matthew 24 being future had to be wrong.”

  • 1997: A Lawless Religion: CI Scofield

  • 1996: A Postscript to “The Death of Victory”

  • 1996: A Review of “The Rapture Plot”

  • 1996: A Review of “The Parousia” and “Beast of Revelation” “It appears to me that most prophetic teachers fail to realize that prophecy is from the time the passages are written, not from the time they are read.”

  • 1991: The Dead Bones – The promise given to David of place of their own, and move no more, is Christ, the Son of David.

  • 1991: Israel Restored – The covenant-promise was that Abraham’s seed should be the heir of the world. The promise was not made to Abraham’s physical seed, but to his spiritual seed. Through faith in Christ, the Gospel Church is joint-heir with Christ. (Rom. 4:13148:17.)

  • 1991: Tongues: A Biblical View “Tongues (the supernatural ability to speak in a foreign language), as mentioned in Acts and Corinthians, are no longer needed. Their need was fulfilled in 70 A.D. when the judgment which they spoke of came upon Israel; therefore, this supernatural gift is gone. Prophecies and knowledge in the sense which Philip’s daughter spoke are gone also, gradually replaced with the more sure word of prophecy and knowledge, the word of God (Acts 21:9). The Apostle John finished the word of God.”  (1994)

Bishop Thomas Newton

John Noē, Ph.D.

Gary North

Arthur M. Ogden

  • 1997: Dating the Book of Revelation “The final destruction of Jerusalem came in 70 A.D. God’s purposes and plans were all in place by this time. Nothing remained to be done.”

Dr. Randall E. Otto

  • 2004: Dealing with (Parousia) Delay: A critique of Christian coping “The Roman destruction of the Jewish temple in the Jewish war of 66-70 CE alone satisfies the temporal requirements for the imminency of the parousia and the historical requirements for the transformation of relations wrought by God ushering in a new reality of the church as the kingdom of God. “

  • 2000: Preterism and the Question of Heresy “Orthodox faith and orthodox doctrines are those that honor God rightly,” whereas “heresy” refers to the false doctrine of those who “have abandoned the faith” and move others to do the same. [82] If heresy has to do with a denial of the principle that God has provided redemption in Christ, as McGrath says, it is hard to understand how preterism can be viewed as a heresy, for it affirms “the orthodox faith and orthodox doctrines” in all points as expressed in the great creeds and confessions while endeavoring to “honor God rightly” by insisting that the consummation of God’s redemptive purpose in Christ’s parousia has not been frustrated or postponed, but rather accomplished according to the clear chronology set forth in the NT. Preterists believe this evidence is so compelling that they are willing to suffer the accusations and condemnations of others in their effort to affirm the words of the apostle Paul: “let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: ‘So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge'” (Rom 3:4).

  • 1999: Jesus the Preterist: A Review of Sproul’s Last Days “Material continuity with the person prior to death has certainly been the predominant view of the resurrection body throughout Christian history. Both the body and the soul of the one who rises are therein viewed as necessary to insure that the risen one is numerically the same individual. Personal identity is thus secured when God recollects the scattered matter, miraculously reconstitutes it in a human body, and reunites it with the soul. The problems attending the view of personal identity as a recollection of scattered matter are, of course, significant. The most obvious is the perennial concern raised as to how human material which has long since biodegraded into the dust and become part of the grass which is eaten by the cows which has been consumed by subsequent generations of human beings can be recollected.”

  • 1997: The Meeting in the Air (I Thess 4:17) “The “meeting in the air” is not a literal rapture of believers, but a symbolic depiction of the final battle of Christ and the powers of darkness which oppose him and his people.  Paul responds by declaring that Christ will come with those departed believers, demonstrating that they have been and will remain his; they and the angelic hosts come to behold the final battle which Christ wages with the powers of darkness inhabiting the air.”

David Padfield

  • 2011: Days of Vengeance – 33-page outline  The destruction of Jerusalem was an act of God’s vengeance and judgment, not Rome’s; these would be the days when people were punished for their sins. The destruction of the holy city was not an accidental or arbitrary act, but the just recompense of reward for those who rejected God’s Son.

Andrew Perriman

  • 2008: Narrative-realism, Preterism, and the relevance of scripture / Discussion “Can anyone help me out with a bit of theological jargon and terminology that I’m trying to get my head around? I’ve been reading a fair bit of the articles on Open Source Theology and I keep coming up against, what many of their authors call the ‘narrative-historical argument’ or the ‘narrative-realist’ approach. Andrew Perriman, one of the authors, even describes himself as doing ‘biblical theology after Christendom in a narrative-realist mode’. In reading the various articles however this narrative-realism seems to sound a whole lot like classic preterism. My question for all the budding theologians out there is what is the difference between the two (preterism and the narrative-realist approach)? Or are they pretty much the same thing – in which case this narrative-realist approach is not really all that new. Help me please…”

Bishop Bielby Porteus

Ernest Renan
French Freethinker | “Six Seal Preterist”

Dr. Gregory Sharpe

Larry T. Smith

R.C. Sproul

  • 2013: Signs of the End “The signs in 24:4–35 refer to the coming of Jesus in AD 70 to judge Jerusalem and those who rejected Him as the Messiah. This coming was not our Lord’s second advent as judge over the whole earth, which this view argues is yet to come. Full preterism (which denies that Christ’s second advent lies ahead) is to be rejected for its failure to recognize an essential truth of Scripture (Acts 1:6–11). Full preterists erroneously believe the events of AD 70 and the second advent are identical, allowing for no subsequent return of the King.”

    • Review: Luther’s Baggage: Israel in the Eschata, Part 3 of 3 “Sproul says that in his eschatological pilgrimage, he has fluctuated, at times being drawn to the amillennial position and at other times, the historic premillennial view. However, despite having given little credence to postmillennialism in the past, he says: “Yet to my surprise, I have found myself more and more attracted to an orthodox post-mill position with its moderate preterist perspective”.

    • Review: Theologian Offers Clarity to Rapture, Last Days Beliefs “Denouncing the (full preterist) position, Sproul contended, “In order to take the position that both the resurrection and the rapture took place in the first century, one has to spiritualize the texts.” “It’s very difficult to spiritualize the bodily resurrection of the saints without at the same time actually denying the bodily resurrection of the saints,” he argued.

Moses Stuart

  • 1842: Hints on the Interpretation of Prophecy “The destruction of Jerusalem put an end of course to the Jewish persecuting power in Judea. Consequently the period in which Christianity becomes triumphant over persecution there, is contemporaneous with the destruction of Jerusalem.  Nothing can be more clear, than that the period of the two witnesses is the same as that of “treading the holy city under foot by the Gentiles,” Rev. 11:2,3.  Two witnesses, and but two, are specified, as we may very naturally suppose, because “by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word is established.   The sum of Rev. xi. is, then, that the Romans would invade and tread down Palestine for 3 1/2 years, and that Christians, during that period, would be bitterly persecuted and slain ; but still, that, after the same period, the persecution would cease there, and the religion of Jesus become triumphant.  The words of the Saviour in Matt. xxiv. compared with the tenor of Rev. xi., seem to lead us plainly and safely to these conclusions.”

Milton S. Terry

  • 1907: Biblical Dogmatics – The Doctrine of the Resurrection (Pages 212 – 251) Adam Clarke thus comments: “I do not think that he refers to the resurrection of the body, but to the resurrection of the soul in this life; to the regaining of the image which Adam lost.”

  • 1898: Apocalypse of the Gospels Making the connection between the Olivet Discourse and the Book of Revelation (1898)

  • 1898: The Consummation of the pre-Messianic Age “Some writers find such a crisis or end in the crucifixion of Jesus, and the moment when he said, “It is finished.” (tetelestai). Others say it was at the resurrection; some few designate the ascension; but many have taught that the outpouring of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost was the coming of Christ in his kingdom, the end of the old and the beginning o the new age. To all of these theories there are two insuperable objections:”

  • 1898: Biblical Apocalyptics  – Focuses on the Prophetic portions of Scripture

  • 1887: “The End of the Age”

  • 1883: Biblical Hermeneutics Textbook in many colleges –  “A treatise on the Interpretation of the Old and New Testament”

  • Continuous Development of the Kingdom of Christ “It is not said that we must all appear at one and the same moment before the judgment seat of Christ.  This second appearing of Christ, apart from sin, to them that wait for him unto salvation, as well as the judgment here spoken of, is something to come to each man after death.  Thus in a very true and holy sense were they caught away to a meeting of the Lord in the air. Such a departing to be with Christ is not to be deemed incompatible with the Lord’s coming to receive them unto himself. And this glorious process is continually going on, and has been since the time when Stephen saw the heavens opened, and beheld the glory of God,   That day is the day or time of his departure (ver. 6). For why should we commit this scripture to the notion that even now, after nearly two thousand years, Paul is still waiting and longing for the crown of righteousness!”

Sam Waldron

Israel P. Warren

  • 1885: The Book of Revelation: an exposition based on the principles of Professor Stuart’s Commentary, and designed to familiarize those principles to the minds of non-professional readers “If a book we had never before seen, and of whose contents we were ignorant, were placed in our hands, we should turn at once to the title- page to ascertain its subject. If we found that subject distinctly stated there, we should deem it conclusive as to the import of the book. We should not regard ourselves at liberty to assume that it was designed to refer to something else without clear and positive evidence to that effect. If, for instance, the title-page declared it to be a history of the American Revolution, we should not think it reasonable to expect in it the history of the late Rebellion, or the life of Napoleon III. The language of the title-page we should inevitably regard as the key to the. book.   Now the title-page of the Book of Revelation gives us such a key. We marvel that it should ever have been misapprehended: “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS.”

Daniel Whitby

The Treatifes added to this Addition are these:

  1. A Differtation concerning the Baptism of Infants, on Matth. xxviii. 19. p. 15.

  2. An Answer to Mr. Whifton’s Difcourfe, on Matth. xxiv. p. 25.

  3. An Examination of his Difcourfe concerning Abiathar the High Priest, on Mark ii. 36.

  4. A Difcourfe concerning the Imputation of Chrift’s perfect Righteoufnefs to us for Righteoufness or Juftification, p. 68

  5. A Defence of a Paffage in the Preface to the Epiflle to the Galatians.

  6. A Difcourfe enquiring whether the Apoftles, in their Writings, spake as conceiving that the Day of Judgment might be in their Days, p. 113.

  7.  A Parallel betwixt the Apoftacy of the Jewifh and the Papal Antichrift, p. 119.

G.L. White

Douglas Wilson

Ralph Woodrow

  • 1971: 70 Weeks – Future or Fulfilled? – “With Adam Clarke we say: “The whole of this prophecy from the times and corresponding events has been fulfilled to the very letter.” (Clarke’s Commentary, note on Daniel 9).”

  • 1971: Matthew 24 – Future or Fulfilled? – “By 70 A. D., the gospel had gone forth to the world for a witness. No longer was God’s message to man be confined to one nation or race!”

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