2015-58-Main Body-David Chilton
|David was a modern preterist, even though he called allowed himself to be called a full preterist
Sam Frost “What he understood “full” Preterism to be, and what it is today, are virtually two different things.. Chilton’s postmillennial aspects all remained intact.”
Reformed pastor and author of several books on economics, eschatology and Christian Worldview from Placerville, California. He contributed three books on eschatology: Paradise Restored (1985), Days of Vengeance (1987), and The Great Tribulation (1987).
Ecclesiastical Megalomania “After this speech, David Chilton subsequently suffered a heart attack from which he initially recovered and eventually died. One wonders if the terror and desperation he felt in the Tyler Church contributed to his health problems. After his heart attack, Chilton and his lecture were viciously attacked by Gary North, the chief financier of the Tyler Church, both publicly and privately. This editor was threatened in writing with “destruction” by North for publicizing Chilton’s speech. Several former members of the Tyler Church contacted the editor after we published this Review, saying that Chilton had not told the half of it. They were still frightened of the leaders of the Tyler Church years after they had left.”
“When I received word of David Chilton’s sudden home-going, my first thought was of profound sadness and loss. I thought of his wonderful family and how all the rest of us will miss his innate optimism, unflagging encouragement, and great foresight. I thought of all the books that might have been but now will never be. But after reviewing the rich legacy he has left us, my heart has been lifted. I have finally begun to comprehend great solace in knowing that “he being dead yet speaketh.”
” I assume you know about what happened to me a little over 3 years ago: I had a massive heart attack, went into a coma, was diagnosed as “brain-dead,” and even when I woke up I’d forgotten everyone and everything, and was blind too! Since then, by God’s grace, I’m off all medications but aspirin, got an A for the course in Logic at the local college last year, am back to writing and speaking (but *not* pastoring), and I jog ten miles a day! Shucks, I think if I’d been living like this all my life, it never would’a happened anyway! ” (Email Exchanges with David Chilton)
(On the Significance of A.D.70)
“…the Bible speaks of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the Church and the destruction of Israel as being the same event, for they were intimately connected theologically. The prophet Joel foretold both the Day of Pentecost and the destruction of Jerusalem in one breath.” (David Chilton, The Great Tribulation, p. 21)
The Olivet Discourse is not about the Second Coming of Christ. It is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.” (quoted by Ice)
(On The Olivet Discourse)
(On Matthew 24:13)
(On Matthew 24:34 and the “Generation Means Race” Theory)
(On the Dating of Revelation)
“Think of it: If these words in these verses do not indicate that John expected the events to occur soon, what words could John have used to express such? How could he have said it more plainly?” (The Beast of Revelation; Tyler, TX; ICE, 1982; p. 24).
(On The Subject Matter of Revelation)
(On Rev 6:15-17) “This passage is not speaking of the End of the World, but the End of Israel in A.D.70.” (p. 148).
(On Revelation 11:15)
(On the Rise of Christianity)
(On the Number of the Beast)
As I mentioned earlier, the point is not that Nero’s name is the primary identification of 666. The point is, instead, what the number meant to the churches. St. John’s Biblically informed readers will have already recognized many clear indications of the Beast’s identity as Rome (indeed, they already knew this from reading the Book of Daniel). Now Nero has arrived on the scene as the first great persecutor of the Church, the embodi-ment of the “666-ness” of the Empire, and – Lo and behold! – his very name spells out 666. It is significant that “all the earliest Christian writers on the Apocalypse, from Irenaeus down to Victorious of Pettau and Commodian in the fourth, and Andreas in the fifth, and St. Beatus in the eighth century, connect Nero, or some Roman em-peror, with the Apocalyptic Beast .” There should be no reasonable doubt about this identification. St. John was writing to first-century Christians, warning them of things that were “shortly” to take place. They were engaged in the most crucial battle of history, against the Dragon and the evil Empire which he possessed. The purpose of the Revelation was to comfort the Church with the assurance that God was in control, so that even the awesome might of the Dragon and the Beast would not stand before the armies of Jesus Christ. Christ was wounded in His heel on Friday, the sixth day, the Day of the Beast – yet that is the day He crushed the Dragon’s head. At his most powerful, St. John says, the Beast is just a six, or a series of sixes; never a seven. His plans of world dominion will never be fulfilled, and the Church will overcome through her Lord Jesus, the 888, who conquered on the Eighth Day.”.
It is charged by some that Neron Kesar is merely a convenient “misspelling” of Nero’s name in Hebrew. This objection overlooks the fact that before the modern introduction of dictionaries the world was simply not as concerned as we are about uniformity in the spelling of names. Alternate spellings were common (e.g. “Joram” and “Jehoram” in the Old Testament), especially in the transliteration of words into a foreign tongue. But the allegation of misspelling is wholly wrong anyway. The form Neron Kesar (1) is the linguistically “correct” Hebrew form, (2) is the form found in the Talmud and other rabbinical writings, and (3) was used by Hebrews in the first century, as archaeological evidence has shown. As F. W. Farrar observed, “the Jewish Christian would have tried the name as he thought of the name-that is in Hebrew letters. And the moment he did this the secret stood revealed. No Jew ever thought of Nero except as ‘Neron Kesar,’ and this gives at once . . . 666″ (The Early Days of Christianity, Chicago and New York: Belford, Clarke& Co., 1882, p. 540). Of some related interest is the fact that if Nero’s name is written without the final n (i.e., the way it would occur to a Gentile to spell it in Hebrew), it yields the number 616 — which is exactly the variant reading in a few New Testament manuscripts. The most reasonable explanation for this variant is that it arose from the confusion over the final n.”
(On the “Last Days”)
“The fact is that every time Scripture uses the term “last days” (and similar expressions) it means, not the end of the physical universe, but the period from AD 30 to AD 70 – the period during which the Apostles were preaching and writing, the “last days” of Old Covenant Israel before it was forever destroyed in the destruction of the Temple (and consequently the annihilation of the Old Covenant sacrificial system). (American Vision’s Biblical Worldview Magazine, Sept. 1996)
(On Revelation 17:10)
(On Revelation 17:17)
(On The Millennial Reign of Christ)
Furthermore, Cerinthus was apparently the first to teach that the Second Coming would usher in a literal reign of Christ in Jerusalem for a thousand years. Although this was contrary to the apostolic teaching of the Kingdom, Cerinthus claimed that an angel had revealed this doctrine to him.” (Chapter 12,Paradise Restored)
LATER WORK WHEN CHILTON CALLED HIMSELF A FULL PRETERIST
(On the Gathering of the Elect) “Finally, the result of Jerusalem’s destruction will be Christ’s sending forth of his “angels” to gather the elect. Isn’t this the Rapture? No. The word angels simply means messengers (cf. James 2:25), regardless of whether their origin is heavenly or earthly; it is the context which determines whether these are heavenly creatures being spoken of. The word often means preachers of the gospel (see Matt. 11:10; Luke 7:24; 9:52; Rev. 1-3). In context, there is every reason to assume that Jesus is speaking of the worldwide evangelism and conversion of the nations which will follow upon the destruction of Israel. Christ’s use of the word gather is significant in this regard. The word, literally, is a verb meaning to synagogue; the meaning is that with the destruction of the Temple and of the Old Covenant system, the Lord sends out His messengers to gather His elect people into His New Synagogue. Jesus is actually quoting from Moses, who had promised: “If your outcasts are at the ends of heaven, from there the LORD your God will synagogue you, and from there he will take you” (Deut. 30:4, Septuagint).
Neither text has anything to do with the Rapture; both are concerned with the restoration and establishment of God’s House, the organized congregation of His covenant people. This becomes even more pointed when we remember what Jesus had said just before this discourse:
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to synagogue your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your House is being left to you desolate! (Matt. 23:37-38).
Because Jerusalem apostatized and refused to be synagogued under Christ, her Temple would be destroyed, and a New Synagogue and Temple would be formed: the Church. The New Temple was created, of course, on the Day of Pentecost, when the Spirit came to indwell the Church. But the fact of the new Temple’s existence would only be made obvious when the scaffolding of the Old Temple and the Old Covenant system was taken away.
The Christian congregations immediately began calling themselves “synagogues” (that is the word used in James2:2), while calling the Jewish gatherings “synagogues of Satan” (Rev. 2:9; 3:9). Yet they lived in anticipation of the Day of Judgment upon Jerusalem and the Old Temple, when the Church would be revealed as the true Temple and Synagogue of God.
Because the Old Covenant system was “obsolete” and “ready to disappear” (Heb. 8:13), the writer to the Hebrews urged them to have hope, “not forsaking the synagoguing of ourselves together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more, as you see the Day approaching” (Heb. 10:25; cf. 2 Thess. 2:1-2). The Old Testament promise that God would “synagogue” His people undergoes one major change in the New Testament.
Instead of the simple form of the word, the term used by Jesus has the Greek prepositione p i prefixed to it. This is a favorite New Covenant expression, which intensifies the original word.
What Jesus is saying, therefore, is that the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70 will reveal Himself as having come with clouds to receive His Kingdom; and it will display His Church before the world as the full, the true, the super-Synagogue .
(On New Heavens and Earth)
Contrary to the misleading renderings of translators blinded by their presuppositions, St. Peter insists that the dissolution of “the present heaven and earth” – the Old Covenant system with its obligatory rituals and bloody sacrifices – was already beginning to occur: the “universe” of the Old Covenant was coming apart, never to be revived: When did prophet and vision cease from Israel? Was it not when Christ came, the Holy one of holies? It is, in fact, a sign and notable proof of the coming of the Word that Jerusalem no longer stands, neither is prophet raised up, nor vision revealed among them. And it is natural that it should be so, for when He that was signified had come, what need was there any longer of any to signify Him? And when the Truth had come, what further need was there of the shadow?…And the kingdom of Jerusalem ceased at the same time, kings were to be anointed among them only until the Holy of holies had been anointed. St. Peter’s message, John Owen argues, is that:…the heavens and earth that God himself planted – the sun, moon, and stars of the judaical polity and church – the whole old world of worship and worshippers, that stand out in their obstinancy against the Lord Christ – shall be sensibly dissolved and destroyed. (Looking for New Heavens and a New Earth)
“The more I pondered the awesome implications of Jesus’ words, the more I realized their truly revolutionary significance for eschatology. Without exception, every event foretold by the Biblical prophets was fulfilled within that generation, as Jesus said.” “Scripture foretells a Second Coming – not a third!” (David Chilton, Foreword to What Happened in AD 70? By Ed Stevens, 1997)
(On The Nature of Christ’s Return)
“…any proposed division of Matthew 24 into two different “comings” is illegitimate, nugatory, and gossamer. Scripture foretells a Second Coming (Heb.9:28) – not a third!
“…Stevens presses Christ’s declaration in Luke 21:22 to its limit: “Jesus said that all Old Testament prophecy would be fulfilled by the time Jerusalem was destroyed.” The more I pondered the awesome implications of Jesus’ words, the more I realized their truly revolutionary significance for eschatology. Without exception, every event foretold by the Biblical prophets was fulfilled within that generation, as Jesus had said (Matt. 16:27-28; 24:34). (Foreword to What Happened in AD70?)
(On II Peter 3:7-13)
ON THE FUTURE CONVERSION OF THE WORLD
IN PARADISE RESTORED (1985)
“This cannot be speaking of heaven, or of a time after the end of the world; for in this “new heaven and earth” there is still death (at a very advanced age – “the lifetime of a tree”), people are building, planting, working, and having children. We could spend the rest of this chapter examining the implications of this passage in Isaiah, but the only point I will make here is that it is clearly a statement about this age, before the end of the world, and shows what future generations can expect as the gospel permeates the world, restores the earth to Paradise, and brings to fruition the goals of the Kingdom.” (Paradise Restored, p. 204)
IN DAYS OF VENGEANCE (1987)
“God is the great Warrior-King: He defeats His enemies, and uses the spoils of victory to build His Temple (pp. 535-36). The Dominion Mandate will be fulfilled, and earth will be completely “heavenized” (pp. 537-38). Salvation abolishes the Curse (pp.569-70), and promises not only that Paradise will be restored, but that it will be utterly consummated (pp. 354-55): Our gain in Christ is much more than what we lost in Adam (p. 567). Christians will reign with Christ, not just for a “millenium,” but forever (p. 573).” (p. 590)
“St. John uses it here in order to underscore the picture of cosmic resurrection and regeneration: He sees a new heaven and new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, having fled from the face of the Judge (20:11). The old world is completely replaced by the new; the word used is not neos (chronological newness) but kainos (newness in kind, of superior quality). Adam’s task of heavenizing the earth has been completed, established on an entirely new basis in the work of Christ. Earth’s original uninhabitable condition of deep-and-darkness has been utterly done away with: …” (p. 537)
“Yet this vision of the new heaven and earth is not to be interpreted as wholly future. As we shall see repeatedly throughout our study of this chapter, that which is to be absolutely and completely true in eternity is definitively and progressively true now. Our enjoyment of our eternal inheritance will be a continuation and perfection of what is true of the Church in this life. We are not simply to look forward to the blessings of Revelation 21 in an eternity to come, but to enjoy them and rejoice in them and extend them here and now.”
IN FINAL WRITINGS
“The truth is that the Bible tells us very little about heaven; just enough, in fact, to let us know we’re going there. But the primary concern of Scripture is the present life. Of course, the blessings of the final chapters of Revelation do refer to heaven. It is not really an “either/or” kind of an issue. But what is important is that these things are true now. Heaven is a continuation and perfection of what is true of the Church in this life.”
“We could spend the rest of this chapter examining the implications of this passage in Isaiah, but the only point I will make here is that it is clearly a statement about this age, BEFORE THE END OF THE WORLD, and shows what future generations can expect as the gospel permeates the world, restores the earth to Paradise, and brings to fruition the goals of the Kingdom.”
““Ultimately, this will be fulfilled in heaven to the utmost extent. But we must recognize that it is true already. God has wiped away our tears.”
RUSSELL’S “EVENTUAL GOSPEL UNIVERSALISM” :
WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID
Kenneth L. Gentry
“We can and should pray for the restoration of his mind, but to debate with him publicly will almost certainly drive him deeper into this heresy. He will feel compelled to defend himself in public. Let him go in peace. It is not our God-given task to confront him at this point. That is for his local church to do.” (North on Chilton)
Dr. Gary North
Edward Stevens (1997)
Productive Christians in an Age of Guilt Manipulators, by David Chilton (ICE, ISBN 0-930464-04-4)
David Chilton was the most naturally gifted writer I have ever met. He could diffuse fierce controversies with his ready wit and uncommon grace. He could untangle the knotted logic of even the most obscure argument with stunning alacrity and crystalline clarity.
His first book, Productive Christians in an Age of Guilt Manipulators, is a biblical response to the “Christian Socialism” of Ron Sider and his “Evangelical Left” kin–men like Tony Campolo, Tom Sine, and Jim Wallis. Besides being a pointed critique, it is an introduction to economics, an invigorating survey of Western politics, and a lively lesson in biblical theology.
Paradise Restored is an eschatological primer, dealing with all the controversies and questions of biblical prophecy, but it also delves into the broader issues of biblical interpretation and application. Besides introducing us to a rare sort of “optimillenialism,” it reaffirms the incalculable riches of the Word of God.
The Days of Vengeance is Mr. Chilton’s magnum opus. It is a monumental verse-by-verse and word-for-word commentary of Revelation. It deals with the entire prophetic repertoire of the church through the ages.
The Great Tribulation is a brief paperback treatment of one of the most troubling aspects of “End Times” teaching. Rarely does it ever resort to polemics. Instead, it presses forward its encouraging message with a refreshing scriptural verve and doctrinal fidelity. The first three pages alone are a model of gracious Reformed apologetics at its finest.
Mr. Chilton also wrote the best book ever written on the cultural crisis wrought by AIDS. Power in the Blood is the wisest, most compassionate, and most scriptural treatment of this difficult subject I have ever come across. Instead of merely dealing with the dire problems that have caused AIDS and the dire problems that AIDS has caused, the book portrays real-life solutions to those problems. It affirms the essence of the Gospel hope. It brings light and life to even the most dark and deadly of dilemmas. In some ways it is a perfect summation of Mr. Chilton’s prevailing message: We can take heart because God is sovereign.
When I received word of David Chilton’s sudden homegoing, my first thought was of profound sadness and loss. I thought of his wonderful family and how all the rest of us will miss his innate optimism, unflagging encouragement, and great foresight. I thought of all the books that might have been but now will never be. But after reviewing the rich legacy he has left us, my heart has been lifted. I have finally begun to comprehend great solace in knowing that “he being dead yet speaketh.”
THE ESCHATOLOGY OF DOMINION: A SUMMARY
For those who like their eschatology wrapped up in a neat package, I have listed 45 of the major arguments of this book, in the general order in which they were presented (chapter numbers are in parentheses). The reader should consider each one in the light of the Biblical arguments in the text of the book. Following these “Theses on Hope” is a brief section answering some of the common misunderstandings of the eschatology of dominion.
Theses on Hope
1. The Bible teaches us to have hope, not despair; to expect victory and dominion for the gospel, not flight and defeat. (1)
2. Biblical prophecy is written in both literal and symbolic language. The choice is not between “liberalism” and “symbolism,” but between a Biblical and a speculative method of interpreting
the Bible. (2)
3. Salvation is re-creation. In redemption, Jesus Christ restores man to the image of God. (3)
4. Salvation and its blessings are presented in the Bible as definitive, progressive, and final.
5. We are not saved out of our environment; rather, salvation works to restore the earth as a whole. God’s Holy Mountain (the Garden) will grow until it fills the entire world. (3-7) emphasis mine
6. God blesses obedience and curses disobedience; this pattern will become dominant as history progresses. (3-7)
7. Through generations of obedience, the godly will increasingly become competent and powerful, while the ungodly will grow weak and impotent. (3-7)
8. The wicked are “raptured” first (i.e., driven out of the earth and disinherited), as the righteous increasingly come into possession of all things. (6)
9. Jesus Christ came as the Son of Man (the Second Adam), to setup God’s Kingdom on the earth. (8)
10. The Biblical prophecies that Christ would reign as King were fulfilled in Christ’s enthronement at His Ascension. (8)
11. Daniel’s prophecy of the Son of Man “coming in the clouds” was fulfilled in the Ascension of Christ. (8)
12. Jesus Christ definitively defeated and bound Satan and the demons in His Atonement, Resurrection, and Ascension. (8)
13. The Kingdom was established during the First Advent of Christ (including the Judgment of A.D. 70); it is now in progress and will increase until the end of the world. (8-16)
14. Ethnic Israel was excommunicated for its apostasy and will never again be God’s Kingdom.
15. The Kingdom is now made up of all those (Jew and Gentile) who have been redeemed by Jesus Christ. (9)
16. The Church is now the Temple of God, having been indwelt by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and fully established at the destruction of the old Temple in A.D. 70. (10-13)
17. The Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21) is not about the Second Coming of Christ. It is a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. (10-11)
18. The Great Tribulation took place in the Fall of Israel. It will not be repeated and thus is not a future event (although Christians in every age have had to endure suffering for the
19. The Bible does not prophesy any future literal Temple or sacrificial system to be set up in Jerusalem. The Biblical prophecies of the Temple refer to Christ and His Church, definitively,
progressively, and finally. (10-13)
20. Although Israel will someday be restored to the true faith, the Bible does not tell of any future plan for Israel as a special nation. (14)
21. The Biblical language of de-creation (the “collapsing universe”) is symbolic of God’s judgment, especially reminiscent of the Flood and the plagues on Egypt at the Exodus. (15)
22. Antichrist is a term used by John to describe the widespread apostasy of the Christian Church prior to the Fall of Jerusalem. In general, any apostate teacher or system can be called “antichrist”; but the word does not refer to some “future The Eschatology of Dominion: A Summary 225 Fuhrer.” (12-13)
23. The “Great Apostasy” happened in the first century. We therefore have no Biblical warrant to expect increasing apostasy as history progresses; instead, we should expect the increasing Christianization of the world. (12-13)
24. The Last Days is a Biblical expression for the period between Christ’s Advent and the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70: the “last days” of Israel. (13)
25. Before the Second Coming of Christ, the vast majority of Jews and Gentiles will be converted to the Christian faith. (14)
26. All of Christ’s enemies are gradually being subdued under His reign from heaven. He will remain in heaven until all enemies have been defeated. The last enemy, Death, will be destroyed when He returns. (16)
27. Jesus Christ will return on the Last Day, when the Resurrection and the Last Judgment will take place. (16)
28. The Rapture and the Second Coming will occur together. (16)
29. There will be one Resurrection of all men; the righteous will be raised to everlasting life, and the wicked will be raised to damnation. (16)
30. The primary concern of prophecy is ethical conduct: obedience to God’s commands. (17)
31. The Canon of Scripture was closed in A.D. 70, when the Old Covenant passed away. (18)
32. The Book of Revelation is not to be interpreted “futuristically”; for its first-century readers, its message was contemporary, and the time of its fulfillment was “at hand.” (18)
33. The “Beast” of Revelation was a symbol of both Nero in particular and the Roman Empire in general. (20)
34. The “False Prophet” symbolized the Jewish religious leadership. (20)
35. The “Harlot” symbolized apostate Jerusalem, which had ceased to be the City of God. (21)
36. The “Millennium” is the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, which He established at His First Advent.
37. The “First Resurrection” is a Spiritual resurrection: our justification and regeneration in Christ. (22)
38. The “thousand years” of Revelation 20 is symbolic for a vast number of years – most likely many thousands. (22, 24)
39. All Christians are priests in this age; all Christians are now seated in the heavenly places in Christ. (22)
40. The New Creation has already begun: The Bible describes our salvation in Christ, both now and in eternity, as “a new heaven and a new earth.” (23)
41. The “New Jerusalem,” the City of God, is the Church, now and forever. (23)
42. The center of the Christian reconstruction of the world is the Church. The essence of Biblical religion, and the source of Christian culture, is the worship of God. (24)
43. The Church’s worship and government are officially recognized in the heavenly Court. When the Church pronounces lawful judgments, they are executed on earth, in history, through God’s providential administration of the world. (24)
44. The Christian goal for the world is the universal development of Biblical theocratic republics, in which every area of life is redeemed and placed under the lordship of Jesus Christ and the rule of God’s law. (24)
45. The Christian standard for ethics in every area – for individuals, families, businesses, and governments – is Biblical law. The Christian cannot be satisfied with “pluralism,” for his calling is to work for the dominion of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom throughout the world. Prosperity for the world will come from Jesus Christ, and from Jesus Christ alone.
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Date:24 Mar 2004Time:02:50:21
My comments are anecdotal. I can say enough of how much Chilton’s works in the 1980’s helped me through the maze of my transition out of premil into seeing the past as past. Now, I fully embrace all of the implications associated with what occurred in 70 A.D, whatever it costs. So many fellow saints today have been drained of any impetus to be bold in reading the Bible. May the Lord change that toward greater displays of His kingdom. Paul Richard Strange Sr 119 Marvin Gardens Waxahachie Texas 75165 972-937-7129 email@example.com
Date:07 Jun 2004Time:21:55:07
Re: Chilton’s quoting John Owen on II Peter 3. Why is it that verse 6 is never mentioned? The world that then existed was destroyed by water (Noah’s time). I assume you take this literally. Then why in the world (no pun intended) would you assume the following verses relating to the world then mentioned and the destruction of it by fire is now supposedly spiritualized to mean the Old Covenant? While it is certainly true that the events in 70 AD definitely indicate the end of the Old Covenant and its ordinances, it does not follow that the world = the Old Covenant. John Owen was a great man of God and certainly much more intelligent than I but I think he is wrong on this point and so was David Chilton by ignoring the context or am I missing something…???
Date:03 Sep 2004Time:13:08:32
Re comment made on 7 June 2004…Gen 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. I am sure Noah sighed relief at this promise. Can you imagine his reaction if God said I will use fire the next time instead! Just a thought…Alexonsunday@aol.com
Date: 28 Oct 2005
A friend of mine wrote a book on the parallels of Exodus and Revelation. Would you like to see a copy?
Date: 28 Feb 2006
I am born again by the blood of Jesus my Lord! I am HAPPY to beheaded for my God and King. I dont support pretribulation or mid tribulation. I believe David Chilton’s – postmillennialism…….why do christians fear “how they will die?”
Date: 06 May 2006
The idea that the last days ‘ended’ with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD is the most unfractuous distortion of scripture I have ever heard.
When has ‘peace and righteousness covered the earth as the waters cover the sea’?
When ‘have the nations beat their swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks and taught was NO MORE’?
When has God gathered his ‘people from the north, south, east and west and planted them in the land He gave their forefathers NEVER to be removed again’?
When have the feet of Jesus stood upon the Mt of Olives and the ‘Mt has split from east to the west’?
I could go on but the agony here is too much to endure.
Date: 30 Mar 2007
throw the book of revelations out of the bible because it doesn’t matter… we are all in our last days anyway because when you die, that will be your last day!
Date: 30 Jul 2007
Christians suffer both individually and personally like no other time in western history, yet the learned debate the use of lithargy!! “Know all, do nothing” seems to be the subtle mantra. Christians are loosing their children/wives, inheritence and in short the Imago Deo. Still, we don’t dare polish the brass on this ‘sinking ship.’ The key is this lunacy about not comming off the ‘roof top’ to go into the house…etc. God has given us His Kingdom, yet we want to hide on the snow covered slopes of Mt. Ararat to indulge ourselves with proof. What a worthless prison does pre-mil offer to the saints. At least the Roman Christians had each other in the time of distress. We make corporations to cling like the harlot to the state. Any problems with this state are suspect. You are the ones who are suspect, is the Lords view-and mine.